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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 05:59 pm
If we had a moral leg to stand on I would have said we just lost our last leg, but since we have nothing, not a thing to give us any moral vindication then we may aswell accept that our administration are what we have always known (even though some are still in denial) BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITES.

But hey lets look at the positive side we did find Chemical Weapons of Mass destruction the only slight catch is we are the ones using em!!! Ha ha! Kinda damn funny really, we were so convinced that Saddam had WMD's (because we knew for a fact since we sold them to him) that when we went in there guns blazing and found no WMD's we got so pissed off.

This war was a 'just war' to disarm a mad man from possessing chemcial weapons that he is likely to use on a civilian population and we were so pissed that we were wrong and everybody could see it was only about the Oil not Terrorism, or 9/11 or any of that Kack so we got so narced off we decided to prove to the world that we are not as dumb and morally bankrupt as the liberal media will have you believe to prove there are chemicals in Iraq we used em on civilians!!!

there you bastards!! what did we tell you chemical weapons in iraq being used on civilians we were right and you!!! yes you the whole goddam planet is wrong!!!


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US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah
By Peter Popham the Independent.
Published: 08 November 2005

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.

"They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.
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KiwiChic
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 06:09 pm
why am I not at all suprised ...*sigh* Sad
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:57 pm
Re: Big Fat lying hypocrites!
stevewonder wrote:
If we had a moral leg to stand on I would have said we just lost our last leg, but since we have nothing, not a thing to give us any moral vindication then we may aswell accept that our administration are what we have always known (even though some are still in denial) BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITES.

But hey lets look at the positive side we did find Chemical Weapons of Mass destruction the only slight catch is we are the ones using em!!!


It is worth noting, I think, that white phosphorus is in no way a chemical weapon, or any other type of WMD.

Not every UK newspaper prints the truth.
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 05:39 pm
OOOOOOOOh my GAWD your right those lying croonies!!!! Britsih newspapers our allies in the invasion *slams head* liberation of Iraq aswell!!!
and to think they took it from our other alllies in the Invaaaaaa.. i mean *slaps wrist* Liberation of Iraq, they aired the documentary lying scum !!

*shaking fist*

I best take your advice amnd stick to Fox News and ........er CNN.......



mmmmmmmm what about those lying scum bags at the BBC??


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US 'uses incendiary arms' in Iraq
US troops heading towards centre of Iraqi town of Falluja
The US assault began exactly a year ago
Italian state TV, Rai, has broadcast a documentary accusing the US military of using white phosphorus bombs against civilians in the Iraqi city of Falluja.

Rai says this amounts to the illegal use of chemical arms, though the bombs are considered incendiary devices.

Eyewitnesses and ex-US soldiers say the weapon was used in built-up areas in the insurgent-held city.

The US military denies this, but admits using white phosphorus bombs in Iraq to illuminate battlefields.

Washington is not a signatory of an international treaty restricting the use of white phosphorus devices.


WHITE PHOSPHORUS
Spontaneously flammable chemical used for battlefield illumination
Contact with particles causes burning of skin and flesh
Use of incendiary weapons prohibited for attacking civilians (Protocol III of Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons)
Protocol III not signed by US

Transmission of the documentary comes a day after the arrival of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani on a five-day official visit to Italy.

It also coincides with the first anniversary of the US-led assault on Falluja, which displaced most of the city's 300,000 population and left many of its buildings destroyed.

The documentary was shown on Rai's rolling news channel, with a warning that the some of the footage was disturbing.

The future of the 3,000-strong Italian peacekeeping contingent in Iraq is the subject of a political tug-of-war, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

'Destroyed evidence'

The documentary begins with formerly classified footage of the Americans using napalm bombs during the Vietnam war.

It then shows a series of photographs from Falluja of corpses with the flesh burnt off but clothes still intact - which it says is consistent with the effects of white phosphorus on humans.

Jeff Englehart, described as a former US soldier who served in Falluja, tells of how he heard orders for white phosphorus to be deployed over military radio - and saw the results.

Map showing Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Falluja
"Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone," he says.

Englehart interview

Last December, the US state department issued a denial of what it called "widespread myths" about the use of illegal weapons in Falluja.

"Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Falluja, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters," the US statement said.

However, the Rai film also alleges that Washington has systematically attempted to destroy filmed evidence of the alleged use of white phosphorus on civilians in Falluja.

Italian public opinion has been consistently against the war and the Rai documentary can only reinforce calls for a pullout of Italian soldiers as soon as possible, our correspondent says.

Both the Italian government and opposition leaders are talking about a phased withdrawal in 2006.

President Talabani and the US say the continued presence of multi-national forces in Iraq is essential.

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stevewonder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 05:44 pm
and the lying scum in Italy!!!!


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I bombardamenti con l'uso di fosforo bianco

Roma, 7 novembre 2005

L'esercito degli Stati Uniti ha usato il fosforo bianco durante l'attacco a Fallujah del novembre del 2004. L'agente chimico, contrariamente a quanto affermato dal Dipartimento di Stato in una nota del 9 dicembre 2004, non e' stato usato, secondo gli usi consentiti, per illuminare le postazioni nemiche, ma e' stato usato indiscriminatamente sui quartieri della citta'. E' quanto emerge da un'inchiesta di Rainews 24, realizzata da Sigfrido Ranucci, in onda domani alle 7,35, nella quale, con testimonianze di ex militari americani, vengono mostrati anche documenti filmati del bombardamento al fosforo, e quelli altamente drammatici che ne riprendono gli effetti, oltre che sugli insorgenti iracheni , anche su civili, donne e bambini di Fallujah, alcuni dei quali sorpresi nel sonno. Ascoltiamo un brano dell'intervista a un ex militare americano.

"Ho sentito io l'ordine di fare attenzione perché veniva usato il fosforo bianco su Fallujah. Nel gergo militare viene chiamato Willy Pete. Il fosforo brucia i corpi, addirittura li scioglie fino alle ossa". E' questa la tremenda testimonianza che un veterano della guerra in Iraq, ha rilasciato a Sigfrido Ranucci, inviato di Rai News 24. "Ho visto i corpi bruciati di donne e bambini - ha aggiunto l'ex militare statunitense - il fosforo esplode e forma una nuvola. Chi si trova nel raggio di 150 metri è spacciato". L'inchiesta di Rai News 24, "Fallujah. La strage nascosta", presenta oltre le testimonianze di militari statunitensi che hanno combattuto in Iraq, quelle di abitanti di Fallujah. "Una pioggia di fuoco e' scesa sulla citta', la gente colpita da queste sostanze di diverso colore ha cominciato a bruciare, abbiamo trovato gente morta con strane ferite, i corpi bruciati e i vestiti intatti" ha detto Mohamad Tareq al Deraji, biologo di Fallujah.

"Avevo raccolto testimonianze sull'uso del fosforo e del Napalm da alcuni profughi di Fallujah che avrei dovuto incontrare prima di essere rapita" - ha raccontato la giornalista del Manifesto, Giuliana Sgrena, a Rai News 24 - "avrei voluto raccontare tutto questo, ma i miei rapitori non me l'hanno permesso!".

L'inchiesta mostra documenti filmati e fotografici raccolti nella città irachena durante e dopo i bombardamenti del novembre 2004, dai quali risulta che l'esercito americano contrariamente a quanto dichiarato dal Dipartimento di Stato in una nota del 9 dicembre 2004, non ha usato l'agente chimico per illuminare le postazioni nemiche, come sarebbe lecito, ma ha gettato Fosforo Bianco in maniera indiscriminata e massiccia sui quartieri della citta'. Nell'inchiesta, curata da Maurizio Torrealta, vengono trasmessi anche documenti altamente drammatici che riprendono gli effetti dei bombardamenti sugli insorgenti iracheni, ma anche su civili, donne e bambini di Fallujah, alcuni dei quali sorpresi nel sonno. Il filmato mostra anche un documento dove si prova l'uso in Iraq di una versione del Napalm, chiamata con il nome MK77. L'uso di queste sostanze incendiarie su civili è vietato dalle convenzioni dell'Onu del 1980. Mentre l'uso di armi chimiche è vietato da una convenzione che gli Stati Uniti hanno firmato nel 1997.
Si toglie così il velo a una battaglia che nessuno ha potuto vedere.

"Fallujah. La Strage Nascosta" verrà trasmessa da Rai News 24 martedì 8 novembre alle ore 07.35 (sul satellite Hot Bird, sul canale 506 di Sky e su Rai Tre), in replica sul satellite Hot Bird e sul canale 506 di Sky alle 05.05 pomeridiane e nei due giorni successivi.




http://www.rai.it/news/articolornews24/0,9219,4201030,00.html
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 05:49 pm
I will only watch Fox News
I will only watch Fox News
I will only watch Fox News

Shocked
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 05:55 pm
Napalm, Chemical Weapons Used at Fallujah - Iraqi Official

By Joel Wendland


Two days after the US State Department released its annual Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, Dr. Khalid ash-Shaykhli, an official at Iraq's health ministry, told a Baghdad press conference that the U.S. military used internationally banned weapons during its deadly November 2004 offensive in the city of Fallujah.
During the attack on the city, eyewitnesses described horrific scenes that analysts have attributed to attacks with napalm, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel that has the capacity of melting human flesh and bones.

Dr. ash-Shaykhli stated that his medical teams, assigned the responsibility of investigating the health situation in Fallujah by Iraq's health ministry, had done research that proved U.S. occupation forces used substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals there.

In factone news source quoted Dr. ash-Shaykhli as stating, "I absolutely do not exclude their use of nuclear and chemical substances, since all forms of nature were wiped out in that city. I can even say that we found dozens, if not hundreds, of stray dogs, cats, and birds that had perished as a result of those gasses."

By April of 2004, Pentagon spokesperson Michael Kilpatrick admitted that the US Army alone had used at least 127 tons (over one quarter of a million pounds) of depleted uranium materials in the Iraq war to that point. Depleted uranium is a substance commonly found in all types of U.S.-made munitions including machine gun bullets, tank rounds, and cluster bombs

During the attack on the city, eyewitnesses described horrific scenes that analysts have attributed to attacks with napalm, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel that has the capacity of melting human flesh and bones.

Inter Press Service reported eyewitness accounts describing bombs that created mushroom clouds and explosions that caused skin to burn even when water was thrown on it. Some eyewitnesses saw indiscriminate shooting and the use of tanks to drag dead bodies to mass graves.

It was during the vicious assault on Fallujah that the shooting of a wounded Iraqi by an American marine was caught on videotape.

Meanwhile, U.S. forces prevented the Iraqi-based Red Crescent to enter the city to care for wounded civilians and bring aid to survivors. Some observers have insisted that the main purpose of this action was to prevent official recording of atrocities committed during the siege and attack.

Tens of thousands of Fallujah residents were made refugees before and during the attack, and were only allowed to return weeks later to the rubble of their city embittered by the actions of the U.S. occupation forces.
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The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) condemned the atrocities committed during the attack. As the attack was suspended, Pierre Kraehenbuehl, the ICRC's director of operations, stated, "every day seems to bring news of yet another act of utter contempt for the most basic tenet of humanity: the obligation to protect human life and dignity."

Reports like these made in November of last year caused numerous members of Tony Blair's Labor Party in the UK to confront the Prime Minister demanding an investigation and answers. Others demanded British withdrawal in light of the reports.

Weapons such as mustard gas, nerve gas, and napalm have been banned by international convention since the 1980s.

Ironically, it was the claim, later proven false, that Saddam Hussein possessed and sought to build stockpiles of these banned weapons that led to the US invasion of Iraq in March of 2003.

The US remains the lone hold out on the napalm ban agreement and the only country that continues to use the substance.

Also ironic is the fact that the US State Department's Country Reports on Human Rights Practices accused the transitional Iraqi government of several instances of human rights violations. According to the report, "there were reports of arbitrary deprivation of life, torture, impunity, poor prison conditions ... and arbitrary arrest and detention."

U.S. officials and military personnel made this assessment of Iraq's interim government just months after the exposure of a Bush administration policy allowing widespread and systematic torture, abuse, and mistreatment of prisoners in U.S. custody.

The Country Reports pointed to a large refugee problem that remains unsolved, corruption in the government, and a somewhat "dysfunctional judicial system."

The report does not mention the role the war and the U.S. occupation had in creating the refugee problem.

With great pretense of concern, the State Department human rights report also cited other problems: "The exercise of labor rights remained limited, largely due to violence, unemployment, and maladapted organizational structures and laws."

With international assistance - presumably from forces and officials as part of a prolonged U.S. occupation - the report concludes, Iraq will make great progress.


--Joel Wendland is managing editor of Political Affairs and can be reached at [email protected].
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 06:03 pm
heres a video link that shows some of the evidence, im sure thos brain dead people who still believe that Gods speaks to Bush and hes saving the world will have a hard time persuding themselves of anything else but for everyone else check it out..............

>>>>>>>Please note the video starts showing clips from the Savagery commited against the Vietnemese people by our heroic former admnistrations first, then moves on to Iraq and the War crimes there, so please be patient<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/110805Z.shtml

Originally from:


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00143.htm
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:15 pm
I am going to pray for you Stevewonder. What about our troops? What about our soldiers that have died? War is not fair. War is not good.

But what about those in Iraq that strap bombs to their children? What about the child that was burned so horribly she has to have countless surgeries just so her head can grow because her skinned was burned so badly? This CHILD WAS HURT BY HER OWN PEOPLE.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:22 pm
Yeah MA reminds me of the old adage "anything they can do, we can do better" we got "smarter" bombs and hotter naplam than anyone else.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:26 pm
Whatever dys. The point is war is hell. But all I seem to hear about these days is what the US is doing to them. What about what they have done to this country? What about what Saddam did to 3M of his people?

I'm just saying, be fair. Show both sides. Our troops don't like being there. They don't do it for fun. They do it because they feel it is their duty and we should respect that.

Louisiana lost 7 men in one unit alone in this war. It took a great emotional toll on all the troops. But, this constant seeming to side with the Iraqis and not our own is doing damage to our troops.

I worry for the troops. It doesn't matter why they are there right now. What matters is they are and we should do everything we can to support them.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:33 pm
SteveWonder
BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITES

SteveWonder, Are all hypocrites fat? Are there no skinny hypocrites?

BBB
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:34 pm
MA you forget one very big thing, We invaded them.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:35 pm
dys,

I haven't forgotten that. I haven't forgotten a lot of things, just like so many Americans haven't forgotten. I just don't want to see our troops treated like our Viet Nam Vets were treated.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:40 pm
I wasn't treated badly.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:47 pm
Well, I am grateful for that, dys. I truly am. But, you cannot deny how our troops were treated because they were in Viet Nam.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:54 pm
yeah I can MA, I was one of them.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:56 pm
Dys, are you trying to tell me that the Viet Nam vets were not spit on and called baby-killers? Are you trying to tell me that when they came home they were treated like heroes?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 07:59 pm
Not at all MA I am saying you don't know shinola about how I (we) were treated other than what you read in Newsweek.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 08:00 pm
Actually dys, I do know. I saw how they were treated with my own eyes. I had many friends that went to Viet Nam. I talked to them when they came home. I saw what happened to them!
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