Proving Subjectivity

fresco



In this view is consciousness emergent?

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Twyvel,

If we take "time" to be illusary, then "life" as a sustained organizational structuring within time would itself be illusary as would be "consciousness" as an emergent epiphenomenon of "life". But because we seem to be engaged in communication within time in order to say anything meaningful at all we must at least assume "time" as a frame of reference.

I term "consciousness" anthropocentric because it appears to be perculiar to the particular lifeform homo sapiens. This position is not unlike say the position of Piaget on "logic" where he argues that logical thought being a characteristic of (some) adults needs to be accounted for as an emergent developmental phenomenon. Such an account cannot of itself have recourse to "logic" within its formulation. Similarly "consciousness" could not be taken as a priori.

Once again the key issue is "meaning" and what you and I are prepared to take as common axioms.

I agree with all of that.

fresco

Have you not tasted your non-movement? Conceptualized your non-movement? Have you considered the possibility that you (consciousness) never move? Images, sounds, body sensations, pass by………What?

We're transparent. Visually, forms pass by like ice in water passing by water.



Surely there is observing through the eyes of a rabbit, and hearing in the ears of an elephant. What hears, what sees in them, sees and hears in us. What sees them sees us.





Yes, and No.

This has nothing to do with concepts. The act of observing is not a concept. The percept is a concept, a mental phenomena, but observing isn't. That's why observing is a priori. Consciousness, nothing, non-being is the ground of being. Meaning, it takes nothing to observe something. Nothing/void is a necessity, a requirement to observe something; concepts, percepts etc.

Oddly, the intellect can lead us to This, This which is observing the intellect. But it's like going from here to here. It's a pathless path because there's no where to go.






imhv

Twyvel,

>>>>>..........silence.

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