How would an anti-hate crimes law affect Christians?

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There is an anti-hate crimes act sitting on the desks of our senators. If passed, crimes against special interest groups would be considered worse than crimes against the average person. I think it's unfair and I hope it won't be made into law. It has already passed the house. it has two parts. The other half of it is good in that it deals with pedophilia. I wish they would have separated the two from the beginning, but that's how the government gets laws passed that shouldn't be.

Any Canadian's who already live where this IS the law already, please comment on the positives or negatives of that law, and how it has affected people you know personally.

It is my hope that enough people in the U.S. become aware of the danger of a law of this type. I believe that ALL crimes are hate crimes and we shouldn't put precedence over or show favoritism to any group over another. We are all different, that makes us equal.

I heard that pastors will not be able to read from the Bible in church if this passes because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

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Up here in Canada, the law is known as bill C-250 and was passed in April of 2004. C-250 is not a new law. C-250 does not even add a new section or subsection to an existing law. It merely enlarges subsection 4 of section 308; it increases the number of classes protected from hate speech and literature from the previous four groups to five.

It is not a pro-homosexual bill. The bill does not mention gays, lesbians or homosexuals. It equally protects persons of all sexual orientations, whether heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual, not just gays or lesbians.

It does not represent a threat to any clergy: priest, minister, pastor or other clergy delivering anti-gay sermons. Anyone delivering an anti-gay speech based on the famous six "clobber" passages in the Bible or similar passages from the holy texts of other religions is immune from prosecution. T his immunity would also apply to lay members of any religion.

I have not heard of anyone being charged under this law. The law allows for up to 2 years in jail if convicted.

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What of the christian hate groups who demonstrate frequently in the US, saying stuff like "AIDS is god's way of getting rid of gays" etc?

Would they be affected?

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I read a story on the net that a man in Canada got a $1500.00 fine that he had to pay to 3 homosexual men because he put a article in a news paper that quoted the Holy Bible. In that article he also drew two honosexual men holding hands with a circle and a line through it like a no smoking sign.

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dlowan wrote:

What of the christian hate groups who demonstrate frequently in the US, saying stuff like "AIDS is god's way of getting rid of gays" etc?

Would they be affected?

As I understand it, they would be charged in Canada.

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"Christian hate groups" sounds like an oxymoron. How 'bout saying religious hate groups.

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I saw a show on it last night.

I begin to see why many US christians are so obsessed with anti gay hatred. It permeates the right wing religious air.

Utterly sickening.

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Good point non-denon christian. I missed that particular wording in dlowan's post. However, I believe that she was referring to that Phelp's nut in the U.S. who has the hate gays campaign. He is claims to be a Christian.

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non-denom christian wrote:

"Christian hate groups" sounds like an oxymoron. How 'bout saying religious hate groups.

Why? These foul things are aggressively christian.

It may sound like an oxymoron to you, but it is a long and strong christian tradition....

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Thankfully, WE do not hold to those traditions.

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Look, I'm a Christian and find that anyone who claims they are one, but who has hate it their heart is a liar!
I'ts like saying a woman in a porn mag claiming she is beautiful.
I have friends who are homosexual and lesbian also. I just don't believe it's healthy.
If I may say this plainly, an anus was never meant to be used as a vagina, and the thought of it is sickening. It's not natural and don't believe it is found anywhere else in nature ecxept in humans.

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non,
I think that you will find that the Bonobo Chimpanzee has a sexual life that will rival most humans.

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Intrepid wrote:

Thankfully, WE do not hold to those traditions.

You may well not, but the intellectual nonsense of denying the rich and horrific history of hatred, cruelty, massacre, torture etc in christian history by saying "I don't do that" or "THEY aren't REALLY christians" is a result of either ignorance, intellectual cowardice, or denial.

As it is to deny current christian hate activities.

Nobody is saying you are like this, but your religion has been amply endowed with it almost since day one.

Do you two KNOW much of christian history?

Edit: Lol, and your friend comes in with christian bigotry even as I type!

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Nobody is denying anything. Why to you single out Christians when there are many, many, many other religions that are also out there. Many whose persecution and treatment of woman and homosexuals is beyond what we can comprehend. Why do you use Christion instead of religion. What about current non-Christian hate activities? You don't have to go beyond this board to find them.

Did you come here to make a point or pick a fight?

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Christianity is defined by the New Testament in the Holy Bible. The biggest lesson one can learn from it is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and to try to live is he did. Jesus did not participate in any war, and even as he was being judged by Pilot he remained silent. Jesus proclaimed that we should Love one another! Amen

Religion is what causes wars. Religion and Christianity are not one in the same. One was created by God , the other by man.

The longest chapter in the Bible is Psalm 117.
The shortest chapter in the Bible is Psalm 119. Psalm 118 is the very center of the Bible.
There are 594 chapters before Psalm 118,
there are 594 chapters after Psalm 118.
594 + 594 = 1,188 Very Happy

Psalm 188:8 says "It is better to trust in the Lord, than to put your confidence in man."
Lord is at the center of that verse. Laughing

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Intrepid wrote:

Nobody is denying anything. Why to you single out Christians when there are many, many, many other religions that are also out there. Many whose persecution and treatment of woman and homosexuals is beyond what we can comprehend. Why do you use Christion instead of religion. What about current non-Christian hate activities? You don't have to go beyond this board to find them.

Did you come here to make a point or pick a fight?

Because this thread asks a question about christians. Rolling Eyes

And you guys immediately made that silly comment about christian hate being an oxymoron...the level of denial in which made me see red, because it is so clearly factually wrong.

No denial, eh?

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What country are you in nondenom? I had assumed the US.

I think, wherever you are, that the bit about preachers not being able to read from the bible is silly propaganda!

Generally, anti hate legislation is about combatting people calling for hateful action against a particular group..eg nazis against jews.

here, it is being considered re fundamenalist muslim leaders calling for action against non muslims.

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non-denom christian wrote:

"Christian hate groups" sounds like an oxymoron. How 'bout saying religious hate groups.

That doesn't stop them from existing. They're hate groups and they claim to be Christian. They worship the Christian God in Christian churches and follow every other Christian rule but with exceptions. This doesn't mean they're not Christians. It just means they're bad Christians, as in, they're not very good at being Christian.

As for the focus on Christian hate groups, to be fair, this thread did start off talking about how an Anti-Hate Law would affect Christians.

Luckily, it will affect people of all religious persuasions, so Christians won't be singled out.

However, I'm more disgusted at the fact that the first thing it appeared you thought about was "how it would affect Christians" and not, "how it would affect Freedom of Speech".

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Here's my idea:

Clergy should take on gluttony and leave homosexuals alone for a little while.

There are a lot more gluttons than there are gays.

They'd really be doing their congregation a service.

Maybe I'll go beat up a glutton to test this law.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

non-denom christian wrote:
"Christian hate groups" sounds like an oxymoron. How 'bout saying religious hate groups.

However, I'm more disgusted at the fact that the first thing it appeared you thought about was "how it would affect Christians" and not, "how it would affect Freedom of Speech".

Well first and foremost this is all about spirituality and religion. As you know, freedom of speech is at stake here, and as I see it, so it freedom of thought.

This country was founded on Christianity.
If you find that hard to believe, read the money in your pocket.
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are intertwined and there was no need to make the point separately.

So now that we've agreed that freedom of speech is also at stake, let's get back to the original question.

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