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Bush Picks Judge Samuel Alito for Supreme Court

 
 
Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 03:24 pm
McGentrix- Judge Alito will be approved. The left wing knows it but, since they are intellectual Luddites, they wish to besmirch a fine Judge as mush as possible. The combination of Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito will be quite difficult for the left to overcome. With all of the blah-blah-blah on these threads concerning the alleged illegality of the President's use of wiretapping, the Democrats appear to have forgotten the Undertaker, Kerry's admonition to the voters just before the election of 2004 in which he pleaded that they vote for him since the next president would doubtlessly place two or even three( Stevens?) on the USSC. Kerry pointedly asserted that this was the MOST IMPORTANT THING A PRESIDENT WOULD DO IN THE 2004-2008 TERM.

I look forward, McGentrix, whoever the chief executive in 2008 may be, to the evisceration of the left wing agenda in the USSC.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 03:29 pm
I doubt any such thing happens. I don't see Alito being a judicial activist. Far less so than Thomas anyways. I am sure the court will continue to uphold the traditions of the US.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 04:19 pm
Of course it will uphold the traditions of the USA. It will, in the words of Robert Bork, return us to the principles established in our Constitution.

There is no more laughable phrase among legal scholars than the one used by the activist USSC Judge Paul Douglas who used the incredible "specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights that have PENUMBRAS, formed by EMANATIONS from those guarantees that help give them life and substance>'

Those are not the traditions of the USA. They are the musings of a senile old man who was on the USSC too long.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 04:39 pm
Mortkat wrote:
There is no more laughable phrase among legal scholars than the one used by the activist USSC Judge Paul Douglas who used the incredible "specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights that have PENUMBRAS, formed by EMANATIONS from those guarantees that help give them life and substance>'

Those are not the traditions of the USA. They are the musings of a senile old man who was on the USSC too long.

Who the hell is "USSC Judge Paul Douglas?"
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 04:55 pm
You are correct, I erred. It was William O. Douglas. However, anyone who is as skilled a lawyer( albeit an ambluance chaser) as you, Joe From Chicago, would know that there has been only one USSC justice in the modern era named Douglas. He was the senile liberal who insisted on being on the bench even after he had suffered a stroke and dribbled all over himself while his left wing clerks produced a ton of socialistic leaning garbage.

He was a disaster as a judge. A typical liberal. According to the book, Closed Chambers,"Douglas often fell asleep at oral argument or had to excuse himself from the chamber to recover from bouts of pain"..Secretly the Justices decided to nullify Douglas's participation in pending cases by ordering reargument in EVERY CASE IN WHICH HE HELD THE DECIDING VOTE" P. 113

Douglas can be said to be the Paradigm for the modern USSC liberal judge.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 04:57 pm
ALITO: Presidential Signing Statements

Pursuant to our Constitution, our nation's lawmaking power is vested in CONGRESS. Article I, Section 7, provides:

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Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.



Pursuant to the Constitution, when the President is presented with a bill, he has three options: 1) approve the bill and sign it; 2) disapprove (veto) the bill by sending it back to Congress with his stated objections; or 3) do nothing.

The Constitution does not give the President the option to sign the bill into law and simultaneously reserve the right to ignore the law at his sole discretion as if the law doesn't exist. This would make the law nothing more than non-binding, unenforceable advice. Our Constitution does not grant the President the power to ignore duly-enacted laws at his pleasure. If the President objects to the bill because he believes it encroaches upon his "inherent power," the president is mandated to veto the bill and send it back to Congress so that Congress may consider the objection. The President does not have authority to interpret a duly-enacted law as mere advice that he may follow or not follow at his own discretion.

The Constitution expressly mandates that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." The Constitution does NOT state that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed unless, at his sole discretion, he decides not to faithfully execute the laws."

In 1986, when Samuel Alito was working for the attorney general, he recommended that the president issue "signing statements" at the time the President approved and signed bills into law to "increase the power of the executive to shape the law."


See Alito foes consider presidential powers the defining issue

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Bush asserted that he could waive the torture restrictions in a ''signing statement," an official document recording a president's legal interpretation of a new law. Bush had resisted the torture restrictions, but Congress approved them by such a large majority that he could not veto the bill. . . .

Leahy said yesterday that he plans to connect Alito's 1986 memo to Bush's use of a signing statement last week to assert an interpretation of the torture law that clashed with the intent of Congress. ''It is disturbing that President Bush seeks authority to dictate the interpretation of laws written and passed by Congress," Leahy said. ''Tellingly, this president's current choice for the Supreme Court was instrumental in developing this strategy 20 years ago while serving in the Meese Justice Department. I will be interested to hear Judge Alito's current thoughts on presidential signing statements as a device to expand presidential power and to minimize congressional intent."



The entire purpose of interpreting a statute is to ascertain and effectuate congressional intent. However, the President doesn't claim authority merely to "interpret" the law for the purpose of effectuating Congress's intent. Rather, he claims authority to ignore the law and the intent of Congress altogether at his sole discretion.

Here is what Bush said in his signing statement when he signed the McCain Amendment (to the defense appropriations bill), which bans the use of torture as an interrogation tool:


The President wrote:
The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks.


In other words, the President claims inherent authority, as the Commander-in-Chief, to IGNORE the McCain Amendment at his sole discretion (like he claims inherent authority to ignore FISA at his sole discretion). Through his signing statement, the President reserved the alleged right to violate the law and to torture detainees whenever he alone determines that doing so is in the interest of national security.

According to the Globe, a senior administration official stated that Bush reserved the alleged right to violate the law if Bush believes that complying with the law will conflict with his role as CiC:

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''Of course the president has the obligation to follow this law, [but] he also has the obligation to defend and protect the country as the commander in chief, and he will have to square those two responsibilities in each case," the official added. ''We are not expecting that those two responsibilities will come into conflict, but it's possible that they will."


Accordingly, congressional enactments are simply good advice that the president is obliged to follow except when he decides not to follow the law. Bush has eviscerated the "rule of law." Bush even claims the judicial branch is virtually powerless to confine him to the "rule of law" when he is exercising his war powers for our national security.

The Supreme Court disagreed with the Bush administration's assertion that the role of the judicial branch was limited and that the Court could not place due process checks on presidential authority in order to safeguard individual liberty:

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. . . , the threats to military operations posed by a basic system of independent review are not so weighty as to trump a citizen's core rights to challenge meaningfully the Government's case and to be heard by an impartial adjudicator.

In so holding, we necessarily reject the Government's assertion that separation of powers principles mandate a heavily circumscribed role for the courts in such circumstances. Indeed, the position that the courts must forgo any examination of the individual case and focus exclusively on the legality of the broader detention scheme cannot be mandated by any reasonable view of separation of powers, as this approach serves only to condense power into a single branch of government. We have long since made clear that a state of war is not a blank check for the President when it comes to the rights of the Nation's citizens. Youngstown Sheet & Tube, 343 U. S., at 587. Whatever power the United States Constitution envisions for the Executive in its exchanges with other nations or with enemy organizations in times of conflict, it most assuredly envisions a role for all three branches when individual liberties are at stake. Mistretta v. United States, 488 U. S. 361, 380 (1989) (it was "the central judgment of the Framers of the Constitution that, within our political scheme, the separation of governmental powers into three coordinate Branches is essential to the preservation of liberty"); Home Building & Loan Assn. v. Blaisdell, 290 U. S. 398, 426 (1934) (The war power "is a power to wage war successfully, and thus it permits the harnessing of the entire energies of the people in a supreme cooperative effort to preserve the nation. But even the war power does not remove constitutional limitations safeguarding essential liberties").


Bush seems to believe that he has the inherent right to IGNORE his constitutional mandate to faithfully execute the laws of the United States, at his sole discretion, whenever he believes those laws are in conflict with his role as commander in chief. Contrary to Supreme Court precedent that requires checks and balances on the president's war power, Bush's actions and statements demonstrate that the UNITARY Executive Branch cannot be restrained by the rule of law. After all, things would be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship and Bush was the dictator. Bush has grabbed the unlimited powers of a dictator. He will do what he wants and he will do it in secret regardless of what the law says.

Does Samuel Alito agree with Bush? Does Samuel Alito agree that Bush can issue a signing statement that waives any obligation by the president to actually obey the bill that he is signing into law? Do we abandon the Constitution and the rule of law in favor of an all-powerful, unaccountable, and unchecked executive branch headed by a president (dictator/monarch) who has unlimited power to ignore congressional enactments whenever, at his sole discretion, he decides that the law stands in his way?
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 04:59 pm
Yes, and after all of that meaningless blah-blah and filler, what will you say, Debra L A W, when Judge Alito is confirmed. That your blah-blah and filler does not mean a thing? I think not..
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 05:46 pm
February 5, 1986

TO: The Litigation Strategy Working Group

FROM: Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
Deputy Assistant Attorney General
Office of Legal Counsel

SUBJ: Using Presidential Signing Statement to Make Fuller Use of the President's Constitutionally Assigned Role in the Process of Enacting Law.


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. . . Our primary objective is to ensure that Presidential signing
statements assume their rightful place in the interpretation of
legislation. . . .


. . . Theoretical problems. Because presidential intent has
been all but ignored in interpreting the meaning of statutes, the
theoretical problems have not been explored. For example:

- In general, is presidential intent
entitled to the same weight as legislative
intent or is it of much less significance?
As previously noted, presidential
approval of legislation is
generally just as important as congressional
approval. Moreover, the President
frequently proposes legislation.
On the other hand, Congress has the
opportunity to shape the bills that are
presented to the President, and the
President's role at that point is
limited to approving or disapproving
.
For this reason, some may argue that
only Congressional intent matters for
purposes of interpretation. If our
project is to succeed, we must be fully
prepared to answer this argument.

- What happens when there is a clear
conflict between the congressional and
presidential understanding? Whose
intent controls? Is the law totally
void? Is it inoperative only to the
extent that there is disagreement?

- If presidential intent is of little
or no significance when inconsistent
with congressional intent, what role is
there for presidential intent? Is it
entitled to the deference comparable to
that customarily given to
administrative interpretations?


Rolling Eyes
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 07:00 pm
CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,ET AL . v. CITY OF NEW YORK:

The Supreme Court wrote:
. . . Thus, under the plain text of the statute, the two actions of the President that are challenged in these cases prevented one section of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 and one section of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 "from having legal force or effect." The remaining provisions of those statutes, with the exception of the second canceled item in the latter, continue to have the same force and effect as they had when signed into law.

In both legal and practical effect, the President has amended two Acts of Congress by repealing a portion of each. "[R]epeal of statutes, no less than enactment, must conform with Art. I." INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954 (1983). There is no provision in the Constitution that authorizes the President to enact, to amend, or to repeal statutes. Both Article I and Article II assign responsibilities to the President that directly relate to the lawmaking process, but neither addresses the issue presented by these cases.

The President "shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . . . ." Art. II, §3. Thus, he may initiate and influence legislative proposals. 27 Moreover, after a bill has passed both Houses of Congress, but "before it become[s] a Law," it must be presented to the President. If he approves it, "he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it." Art. I, §7, cl. 2. 28

His "return" of a bill, which is usually described as a "veto," 29

is subject to being overridden by a two-thirds vote in each House.

There are important differences between the President's "return" of a bill pursuant to Article I, §7, and the exercise of the President's cancellation authority pursuant to the Line Item Veto Act. The constitutional return takes place before the bill becomes law; the statutory cancellation occurs after the bill becomes law. The constitutional return is of the entire bill; the statutory cancellation is of only a part. Although the Constitution expressly authorizes the President to play a role in the process of enacting statutes, it is silent on the subject of unilateral Presidential action that either repeals or amends parts of duly enacted statutes.

There are powerful reasons for construing constitutional silence on this profoundly important issue as equivalent to an express prohibition. The procedures governing the enactment of statutes set forth in the text of Article I were the product of the great debates and compromises that produced the Constitution itself. Familiar historical materials provide abundant support for the conclusion that the power to enact statutes may only "be exercised in accord with a single, finely wrought and exhaustively considered, procedure." Chadha, 462 U.S., at 951 . Our first President understood the text of the Presentment Clause as requiring that he either "approve all the parts of a Bill, or reject it in toto." 30

What has emerged in these cases from the President's exercise of his statutory cancellation powers, however, are truncated versions of two bills that passed both Houses of Congress. They are not the product of the "finely wrought" procedure that the Framers designed. . . .

If there is to be a new procedure in which the President will play a different role in determining the final text of what may "become a law," such change must come not by legislation but through the amendment procedures set forth in Article V of the Constitution. Cf. U. S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U.S. 779, 837 (1995).


President Bush has effectively, and unconstitutionally, repealed both FISA and the McCain anti-torture Amendment. Neither FISA nor the torture ban in the appropriations bill have any force or effect as far as the President is concerned.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 07:23 pm
Here's the LINK to the Boston Globe article:

Bush could bypass new torture ban
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 01:30 am
Mortkat wrote:
You are correct, I erred.

You should start every post with this statement.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 01:44 am
That would be correct if I did err in every post, but why are you so brief, Joe? Do you hear an ambulance? Why don't you comment on the liberal William Douglas and his goofy insertion of emanations and penumbras in his decisions complicated by his senility. Is it beyond your ken?
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 01:45 am
Yes, and after all of that meaningless blah-blah and filler, what will you say, Debra L A W, when Judge Alito is confirmed. That your blah-blah and filler does not mean a thing? I think not..
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 01:52 am
Debra L A W should put some of those Constitutional Law books aside and read some news. She apparantly does not. She states that Bush has repealed the McCain Anti-Torture Amendment. It is clear that Debra L A W does not know how the sponsor of the legislation--Mc Cain himself--- interprets the legislation.

McCain appeared on the TV show, This Week and was asked about his views on Torture. He told the panel that he was firmly against any act of torture that would "Shock the conscience" When he was asked whether the torture of a person who KNEW of a future attempt to kill scores or hundreds of people would "shock the conscience", Mc Cain said, in that rare case it would not.

Debra L A W should keep up with the news.

But I am not as hard hearted as I may seem. When I read the report given by one Benyam Mohammad. an Ethopian born Guantanamo detainee who grew up in Britain, I became outraged at the heartless tactics used by the US. Mohammed reported that:

It was pitch black, no lights on in the rooms for most of the time. I was allowed toa few hours of sleep on the second day. Mohammed weent on to say that he was forced to listen to Eminem and Dr. Dre for twenty days.


THAT'S INHUMAN!!!!!!
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 02:09 am
Mortkat wrote:
That would be correct if I did err in every post,

You do, Mortogatto, you do.

Mortkat wrote:
...but why are you so brief, Joe? Do you hear an ambulance?

No, my hearing is fine. Thanks for asking.

Mortkat wrote:
Why don't you comment on the liberal William Douglas and his goofy insertion of emanations and penumbras in his decisions complicated by his senility. Is it beyond your ken?

No, it's just beyond the scope of this thread -- as are most of your inane ramblings. Start a thread in the legal forum on the jurisprudence of William O. Douglas and I might participate.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 02:33 am
The jurisprudence of William O. Douglas---taken from Closed Chambers- a book written by Edward Lazarus, a former Supreme Court Clerk and now a federal proscutor in Los Angeles.( Note- Lazarus graduated from a great law school- one listed by many as the best in the USA--Yale Law School. He does not chase ambulances)
Lazarus writes about Douglas' "jurisprudence"--(Definition of "Jurisprudence"-The Philosophy of Law"



Douglas' philosophy of law apparently included an an opposition to the death penalty but unlike some judges who know when to quit, he did not.

Lazarus wrote:

"Desperate to participate in Fowler, Douglas had himself wheeled into the hushed courtroom as the April 21oral argument commenced. When the case was taken up at the weekly Conference, though, he was already back in the hospital, In his absence, the remaining justices deadlock 4-4 and decided to have the case reargued the next term rather than wait on Douglas' vote.
After the summer break, with Douglas unimproved, the Conference concluded that his unstable mental condition called for a drastic curtailment of his authority, Secretly, the Justices decided to nullify Douglas' participation in pending cases by ordering reargument in every case where he held the deciding vote."

Lazarus' description of the bizarre events when a senile liberal judge did not know that he should step down shows that a great deal of damage has been done to our laws and court system because of the jurisprudence of senile and ill judges. Two more extreme liberals who have been vexed by illness while on the court and did not remove themselves were Thurgood Marshall--Surely- A JOKE as a judge and the malignant dwarf, the former head lawyer for the ACLU--Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 03:22 am
President Relents, Backs Torture Ban
McCain Proposal Had Veto-Proof Support


Friday, December 16, 2005

Quote:
President Bush reversed position yesterday and endorsed a torture ban crafted by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) after months of White House attempts to weaken the measure, which would prohibit the "cruel, inhuman, or degrading" treatment of any detainee in U.S. custody anywhere in the world. . . .

Bush gave his support publicly in a joint appearance with McCain in the Oval Office yesterday, one day after the House gave veto-proof support for the senator's language in a symbolic 308 to 122 vote. The Senate had already approved the provision 90 to 9. Bush praised McCain's effort.

"We've been happy to work with him to achieve a common objective, and that is to make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention [on] torture, whether it be here at home or abroad," Bush said.


The President wants to make it CLEAR that this government does not torture . . . just like he made it CLEAR that this government does not spy on United States persons without a court order:

Quote:
Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.


White House Press Release, April 20, 2004

But, experience has proven that Bush's public statements are LIES--uttered as part of his phoney pony show. His signing statement demonstrates that he reserved alleged inherent authority to torture notwithstanding the law he had just signed.

Quote:
Legal specialists said the president's signing statement called into question his comments at the press conference.

''The whole point of the McCain Amendment was to close every loophole," said Marty Lederman, a Georgetown University law professor who served in the Justice Department from 1997 to 2002. ''The president has re-opened the loophole by asserting the constitutional authority to act in violation of the statute where it would assist in the war on terrorism."

Elisa Massimino, Washington director for Human Rights Watch, called Bush's signing statement an ''in-your-face affront" to both McCain and to Congress.

''The basic civics lesson that there are three co-equal branches of government that provide checks and balances on each other is being fundamentally rejected by this executive branch," she said.


It will be interesting to see how Alito responds to questions during his confirmation hearing about executive branch power and the president's use of signing statements.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 03:27 am
Debra L A W should put some of those Constitutional Law books aside and read some news. She apparantly does not. She states that Bush has repealed the McCain Anti-Torture Amendment. It is clear that Debra L A W does not know how the sponsor of the legislation--Mc Cain himself--- interprets the legislation.

McCain appeared on the TV show, This Week and was asked about his views on Torture. He told the panel that he was firmly against any act of torture that would "Shock the conscience" When he was asked whether the torture of a person who KNEW of a future attempt to kill scores or hundreds of people would "shock the conscience", Mc Cain said, in that rare case it would not.

Debra L A W should keep up with the news.

But I am not as hard hearted as I may seem. When I read the report given by one Benyam Mohammad. an Ethopian born Guantanamo detainee who grew up in Britain, I became outraged at the heartless tactics used by the US. Mohammed reported that:

It was pitch black, no lights on in the rooms for most of the time. I was allowed toa few hours of sleep on the second day. Mohammed weent on to say that he was forced to listen to Eminem and Dr. Dre for twenty days.


THAT'S INHUMAN!!!!!!
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 03:55 am
Debra_Law wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Alito responds to questions during his confirmation hearing about executive branch power and the president's use of signing statements.

I agree. I'm just not sure how a senator, can ask those questions effectively. The Roberts hearings weren't very encouraging in this regard. Ask too directly, and he will answer: "I can't comment on cases that may come before me." Ask too broadly, and he will give you a generic "Constitutional Law 101" lecture on the subject, describing what the textbooks say but not his own perspective. That's the optimistic scenario anyway. The pessimistic version is that he pulls a Scalia. C-Span, in parallel to the Roberts hearings, also replayed two hours from the Scalia hearings. At one point Scalia said literally: "Well, maybe I could tell you whether I think Marbury v. Madison was rightly decided. But let's stay off that slippery slope." (This quote is from memory, so probably not strictly literal.)

Joe and Debra, based on your experience in cross-examining witnesses, which questions would you ask Alito to elicit the most meaningful responses you can get?
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 04:08 am
Thomas_ I watched the Roberts hearings from start to finish. He wiped up the floor with the plagiarist Biden and the Chappaquiddick Kid, the highly moral, Ted Kennedy, who was expelled from Harvard for cheating on a Spanish test. I am sure Alito will be ready and that he will be appointed by the end of January.

The left does not seem to know just how important this appointment will be to the future of the country. Kerry did! He told the voters that if they needed a reason to vote for him (in 2004) no reason could be as important than the fact that the next president would appoint two or three USSC judges. John Dean strongly agreed
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