The Flood has really taiken place!

It appears to me that you are attempting to gain converts through your posting and starting of threads? This is not criticism, I just think that your post in the Chinese character thread, this one and the "Jesus-True Vine" thread might be better served if you just started a single thread about such things... Just a thought.

BTW the old testament account of the flood (basically) comes from the Babylonian story of Utnapishtim... Does that mean that the Chinese writing system was influenced by the Babylonians?

There are flood stories all OVER the place. Does that validdate the Bible? Well, there are many historical things in the Bible... Does it validate the _TEACHINGS_ of the Bible. No, that is for the believer to believe and the curious to decide. Not flamin' just sayin'...

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The Bible is truth and its incidents also other nations tradition knowedge admits and prooves through of the same type accounts.

Many other nations 'prove' historical accounts and the like, but not the teaching.... Christ was not in China during the time of Lao Tzu and Taoism does not reflect Christianity at all. That was more my point.

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The Bible records that after building of tower of Babel God scattered people from there, over the face of all the earth.

By that way the information passed everywhere also to China, because people told about it. But after time had passing accounts change its form among nations, but in the Bible is real account from the Flood.

It's not surprising that every culture has flood myths. Floods are natural phenomena that happen everywhere. To claim that the various flood myths prove that a worldwide flood actually occurred is ridiculous. Flood myths are from a time when the world wasn't much larger than 1000sq miles for the those living in an area.

If hurricanes happened on more than just the coastlines of temperate climates we would have hurricane myths. If major earthquakes weren't basically restricted to fault lines we would have earthquake myths.

Floods just happen to be something that no part of the world is immune from. Almost no part. I don't think the Inuits have a flood myth.

agreed with the rest of your remarks. just wanted to add that few parts of the inhabited world are immune from floods. there may well be many unihabited regions that never experience floods, but such regions tend to be unihabited because of lack of fresh water.

Also, there is NO evidence of any kind that supports that there was a worldwide flood. Marine sediments or fluvial sediments connected worldwide, just do not exist. Now perhaps somebody has come along and swept off the areas of continental craton areas or shield rocks.

This is the most illogical and unfounded "factoid" , and it all begins with believing that the Bible is either a valid science or history book. I know we will never convince you, but I , personally will be giggling quietly in the background.

from different parts of the world have been met trunk fossils, which locate inside of the ground and they reached through many different layers. Often these wooden trunks are as the one mess with the sludge, bones and mud, and theirs roots are also upside down, which all is evidence about the large devastation. So that these trunk fossils would generally be born and be preserved, they must have been buried very quickly into stratums of the ground - otherwise of these trees, other plants and animals wouldn't have remained any fossils.



Birth of the fossils



Existing of the fossils in the ground is a powerful evidence about the Flood. Because the birth of the fossils is explicable only by that way; that mud and sludge avalanches have buried very quickly some living or dead animals and plants. If this burying doesn't take place quickly, there can't be formed any fossils, because otherwise decomposing activity of the bacteria and carcass eaters or herbivores would have destroyed plant or animal already in a few days. Noteworthy is indeed that nowadays isn't formed just any fossils. For the example well-known explorer Nordenskjöld noticed, that from Spitzbergen is more easier to find some old gigantic lizard remain, as recently buried seal, even though on that area are millions of seals.

Therefore is indeed considerable problem to us explain, how large animals such as mammoths, dinosaurs, rhinoceroses, hippos, horses and also other large animals have stayed under the mud bulk and under the layer of the ground, if we don't believe in the Flood. For the example merely mammoths are estimated to be buried into the ground about 5 million individuals. In the current conditions these kinds of animals wouldn't be buried inside of the ground, but they would decay quickly on the ground or the carrion eaters would eat them real soon. The next description (James.D. Dana: "Manual of Geology, p. 141) indicates to us, how quickly burying is necessary from the point of view of the fossils:



Vertebrate animals, such as fishes, reptiles etc. decompose, when their soft parts become removed. Them must be buried quickly after the death, so that they would avoid the destroying and there is also danger of getting to be eaten by other animals.



buried AS ALIVE



Several fossils are a very clear evidence about it, that they have been quickly buried.

But in addition to this fast burying there are several evidences that these animals have been still alive at their burying moment. This matter is indicated to us in the following examples:



Fish fossils. From the ground have been found plenty of fish fossils, which have marks of that, that they have been buried as alive and quickly.

Firstly have been found fish fossils, which have had in their mouth another smaller fish, when suddenly ground bulks have buried them. In other words if fish is eating its meal, hardly it is at this moment experiencing normal death, but it has lived the normal life of fish, until it has been quickly buried.

Secondly there have been found large group of fish fossils, which have been all scales still remaining, mouth open and all fins outspread. Always if in the fishes are found these kinds of marks, they indicate to us, that they must have been still alive and to fight against their destiny, until they suddenly have been buried. This like quickly burying in the Flood under the sludge would be to these fishes the most probable habit to die. For the example from armour fishes, which are found old red sandstone layers, are about 9/10 in such position - they have raised their two horns with right-angled form onto their head's bone slab as the mark of the danger - that indicates, that they have been quickly buried.

And fish fossils can't be formed in any other way - except that way mentioned before - because fishes in normal conditions are ruined very quickly or other animals eat them. However, in the fishes' "cemeteries" can be millions of these kinds of fish fossils.

Hrmm..... I believe also here we need to differentiate between FLOOD and flood.... It is accepted in many scientific circles now that coastlines are MUCH different now than they were (approx) 12000 years ago... While there was no global flood, there is compelling evidence/theory that inhabited coastal areas (at the same time in history) were rendered uninhabitable... Thus forcing people to migrate further 'inland'... There are a number of submerged city-sites that have been discovered in the last 50 years. Ho-Hum...

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Green River Shales fish fossils are in a "death assemblage" because the lakes were actually drying up and anoxia set in.

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arhma geddon outta here

Well, if there were just seven persons to populate the earth, the inbreeding would explain the state of the nations now.

roflmao

Well it does explain the red states. Which, I assume, leaves the explanation for the blue states in the hands of aliens. I often feel alienated.

If there was a world flood, all the living things in the ocean would have a commonality, but there isn't. Get a copy of the current issue of National Geographic; it addresses some special (new) species in Indonesia.

performance artist laurie anderson had this to say about the flood, makes as much sense as anything i've read so far


A certain American religious sect has been looking at conditions of the world during the Flood.
According to their calculations, during the Flood the winds, tides and currents were in an overall southeasterly direction.
This would mean that in order for Noah's Ark to have ended up on Mount Ararat, it would have to have started out several thousand miles to the west.
This would then locate pre-Flood civilization in the area of Upstate New York, and the Garden of Eden roughly in New York City.

Now, in order to get from one place to another, something must move.
No one in New York remembers moving, and there are no traces of Biblical history in the Upstate New York area.
So we are led to the only available conclusion in this time warp, and that is that the Ark has simply not left yet.

Maybe they can use one of those new super-duper huge cruise boats. At least they don't have to worry about housing all them dinosaurs. LOL

I think I detect a bit of sarcasm here.

Gulp! A touchdown for the non believers on the opening kickoff.