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Vegans Guilty on all counts for malnourishing baby...

 
 
Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:06 pm
The article is at the bottom of this post.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ct/20030404/cr_ct/vegans_guilty_on_all_counts_for_malnourishing_baby

But, I just wanted to get others views on this case. Personaly I think the right verdict was given. I hope the parents get the 25 years, if not more. By all means do what you want with your own body, but don't harm your child cause of your views on animal rights. Has anyone seen a vegan? There stickly, pasty and look like a strong wind could knock them down. At least the ones I have seen. It boggles the mind that anyone can think that there eating habits can hang with a childrens body.


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Vegans guilty on all counts for malnourishing baby
Fri Apr 4, 4:59 PM ET Add Crimes and Trials - Court TV to My Yahoo!


By Harriet Ryan, Court TV

(Court TV) ?- A jury in Kew Gardens, N.Y. convicted a vegan couple of nearly starving their baby to death with a strict diet that the prosecutor described as "a path to hell."



Joseph and Silva Swinton, both 32, were found guilty in Queens Supreme Court of assault, reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child.


The couple fed their toddler daughter, Ice, a homemade soy bean and herb infant formula that left the little girl with the appearance of a Third World famine victim and the developmental abilities of a newborn. At 15 months, Ice had no teeth and could not sit up, crawl or walk.


The Swintons will face up to 25 years in prison when sentenced at a later date by Judge Richard Buchter.


With their verdict, which came after two days of deliberations, the jury rejected arguments of the Swintons' attorneys, who said the couple wanted only the best for their baby and did not realize the harm the diet was causing her.


The felony assault and reckless endangerment convictions indicate the panel found the couple acted with "depraved indifference," or recklessness "so wanton" that it is equivalent to purposefully starving Ice. If the jury had found the Swintons simply reckless, they could have convicted them on misdemeanor charges that carry no mandatory jail time.


Assistant District Attorney Eric Rosenbaum said the pair treated their daughter "like a gerbil" and called the diet "a grotesque science project." He argued that the couple were well aware that their daughter was sick and showed "willfull blindness" to the problems.


"A 15-month-old child who cannot walk, cannot stand and cannot crawl ?- that tells you that something is very, very wrong," Rosenbaum told the jury during closing arguments.


All the panelists had experience caring for small children. None are vegetarians.


The girl, who will celebrate her third birthday in July, and her baby brother, Ini, born after the Swintons' arrests, now live with relatives of the couple. (Court papers spell the girl's name Ice, although the parents have spelled it Iice.)


The testimony of Silva Swinton was the three-week trial's dramatic highpoint and may have ultimately proved harmful to her defense. She told jurors that Ice "was thriving" on the vegan diet and suggested that it was hospitalizations and medical care ordered by social services that had made her daughter sick.




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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:15 pm
actually, there was no link. I think that there's a lot more to this story than a couple of vegan parents raising their kid vegan.
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:19 pm
I have added a link to the yahoo.com print of the article.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:24 pm
so... you're saying you think this couple starved their child because they were vegans?
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:38 pm
littlek wrote:
so... you're saying you think this couple starved their child because they were vegans?


I believe their version of veganism lead them to starve their child.
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Gala
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:41 pm
Not starved, malnourished. Babies need fat, and animal protein, among other things to develop properly. It is criminal in the sense that the parents inflicted their morality on a helpless child- it hardly gives the child a leg-up in the world.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:42 pm
And I believe they were nuts. Vegan or not.
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2003 11:55 pm
littlek wrote:
And I believe they were nuts. Vegan or not.


or maybe they are vegan as mormans like the bible. add stupid to that mix, and this is achieved.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 12:04 am
I don't understand what you said above.
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 12:08 am
littlek wrote:
I don't understand what you said above.


perhaps these people are as vegan as mormans are bible worshiping.

it's a metaphor of extremity.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 12:10 am
I see your metaphor. Personally I see extremism as a signifier of a phsych disorder.
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 12:41 am
littlek wrote:
I see your metaphor. Personally I see extremism as a signifier of a phsych disorder.


Really?

I see extremism as the most perfect version of a philosophy. Generally, what goes wrong with "extremists" are the inherent flaws of the philosophy itself.
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Gala
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 01:00 am
And, individual choice not to their liking becomes their moral territory.
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gezzy
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 03:44 am
That poor baby.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2003 09:39 am
yeah, poor kid.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2003 11:13 pm
I know quite a few vegans who quite healthy. They sure have a lot more energy and endurance than I do! And I bet their arteries are far healthier than mine.

But it takes pretty dedicated research to construct a balanced diet without animal flesh or animal products involved.
There's a lot to balancing proteins and carbohydrates, and finding sources for each type. You can't just wing it.

I suspect this couple was already pretty out there. I certainly don't think they represent vegans, any more than someone who hears voices from God represents Christianity.

If some crazy person does terrible things "in the name of Chevrolet", does that mean Chevy's are horrible cars? I feel terribly sorry for parents who are that out of it, and for the daughter, and for the whole community dealing with it.

Is there any way we can help them, and others around the world like them?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 05:17 am
CodeBorg wrote:
Is there any way we can help them, and others around the world like them?


No. Obsessed people such as this do not admit of contradiction. They will have seen their conviction in terms of a conspiracy against the "truths" which they know. Nietzsche, in Beyond Good and Evil, speaks of criminals who are taken up by the authorities as considering themselves as unfortunate, not bad--they got caught. The obsessed believer is not different. Criminals do not commit a crime in the belief that they will be apprehended, quite the opposite, in fact. They cannot believe that they are doing wrong, or they lack the ability to make such judgments altogether; similarly, they cannot believe that they will be caught, nor that the authorities are competent to catch them--because this would argue against pursuing their object.

The fanatic differs, of course, in that the fanatic believes that s/he is possessed of greater "truths" and that s/he actually acts in a highly moral manner required by adherence to their "higher truth." The effect, however, is the same. Any unfortunate consequences must be attributed to the cupidity, venality or antipathy of others, because to think otherwise would be to accept the possiblity that s/he is wrong, and that just won't do.

So i suggest that you can never rid the world of such people.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 06:02 am
CodeBorg-

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I know quite a few vegans who quite healthy
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I would bet my last buck that the healthy vegans that you know are adults. There are nutrients that infants need to develop properly, that are not as important in adults.

I have read stories where parents fed their babies fat free milk on the assumption that the fat was harmful to them, as in an adult. NOT! The babies ended up with brain damage, because they need the fat in the beginning of life for proper neurological development.

I don't think that veganism is the issue at all. For some people it works, but not for babies. When the parents saw that the child was not developing normally, the diet should have quickly been put into question. This is a case of criminal neglect!
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 06:50 am
Even that testimony smells of craziness: "It was Social Services", like "the government did it, they are out to get us..." Lock them up.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 10:53 am
There was at least one similar case in Toronto a couple of years ago. Similar situation - vegans - feeding baby soy and rice - baby malnourished and under-developed - parents ended up in jail.

Scary what people do to their children.
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