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Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:12 am
i'm sure you've heard it before, "kindness is everywhere and in everything" can i justify or label all actions as a matter of kindness or unkindness? or hate or love? think of all actions as a spectrum of something between good for you or bad for you, draw a line in the middle and on one side everything is kind and on the other everythign isnt?
i believe this works.
I believe it doesn't. Too black and white. What about the things that are both good and bad?
If you're afraid of dentists you'd dread a visit. But how long would you endure rotting teeth? Where does that line go? And if you change, will not the line also change?
Cyracuz wrote:I believe it doesn't. Too black and white. What about the things that are both good and bad?
If you're afraid of dentists you'd dread a visit. But how long would you endure rotting teeth? Where does that line go? And if you change, will not the line also change?
ok over time its irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that one instance. and in the first thing you said you didn't consider all of the variables.
Re: kindness is everywhere
logicalunit42 wrote:i'm sure you've heard it before, "kindness is everywhere and in everything"
Actually, no, I've never heard anyone say that before.
sorry.
Re: kindness is everywhere
Chai Tea wrote:logicalunit42 wrote:i'm sure you've heard it before, "kindness is everywhere and in everything"
Actually, no, I've never heard anyone say that before.
sorry.
well you have now
who said it? I mean, besides you?
Is this some famous quote or something?
ok you have now. calm down.
huh?
i'm so calm i'm practically zzzzzzing
so who said this, besides you?
Interesting theory, logical. It is rather like Kurt Lewin's decision making model. Incidentally, Welcome to A2K.
Re: kindness is everywhere
Chai Tea wrote:logicalunit42 wrote:i'm sure you've heard it before, "kindness is everywhere and in everything"
Actually, no, I've never heard anyone say that before.
sorry.
I've never heard that either. At times quite the opposite.
Yeah Angelique east, maybe this person is making it all up.
Well I don't know Chai Tea, but, according to logic's first answer to you he/she is forgetting that Kindness is Everywhere.
You know, I've heard more negative things about the so-called "real world."
There is a way of looking at the world that makes it painfully logical that everything is love, or attraction.
Cyracuz wrote:There is a way of looking at the world that makes it painfully logical that everything is love, or attraction.
how could that be painful?
the nature of the world entirely depends on your state of mind. when you are in one state of mind, it will seem dark, depressing, scary, and nihilistic. when you are in another, it will seem light and happy, and kind, and the like.
you can rationalize it as much as you want, and you may think you have hit the ultimate truth, but it probably just means your mind is clinging to your opinions, rather than actually stumbling on the nature of reality.
It could be painful to understand it but not to feel it. But it would mean that the understanding is flawed.
You are right, the nature of the world does depend of the state of mind. But the state of mind is also of nature. My state of mind is also the nature of the world.
The logic pattern I was referring to assumes that every action has it's motive, and that motive is always love.
But love can be misguided. We are small, puny creatures compared to this enormous emotion. We enterpet it through ignorance and craving, stupidity and stubbornness.
So a suicide bomber blows himself up out of love for his cause and his family. Misguided love, for sure, wich he experiences as an intense hatred towards the people he intends to blow up.
On a bigger scale, every bit of matter in this world is made so that it will seek it's "kind". Our most blunt word for it is gravity, and another word for it is attraction. Thus planets and stars were created and still are.
This wouldn't be so spectacular if it weren't for this; things come of it. The most basic attractions form the basis for another set of attractions, wich in turn enable still others, and here we are, in the middle of it all, wresteling with the primal force, love, for all we're worth. But when we forget that we're mere pieces in a big game with precious little independance, we easily take to notions that our fantasies are soley of our making, and that the forces of the universe had nothing to do with them. From there it is only a short step towards the misery of seing a world gone mad. The real madness is, of course, the judgement of such a fevered ego.
I think the ultimate motive for actions is selfishness.
Even giving to charity, because it's done for the feeling of having done something good, or avoiding the guilty of having done something wrong.
People who don't feel good about giving to charity or don't feel bad/guilty about not doing it don't give to charity. It comes down to what they enjoy most having the money or helping the charity.
I have to agree with those who have said they've never heard that before and with AngeliqueEast when she said she's heard the opposite.
Isn't selfishness love for self?
Quote:It comes down to what they enjoy most having the money or helping the charity.
A matter of what they love the most i'd say.
Cyracuz wrote:Isn't selfishness love for self?
I guess you could think of it that way...
I think it would fall under the missguided love mentioned earlier than a "true"/"good" sort of love.
But is misguide love actually love? it's a bit like saying a t-shirts a jumper, they can be see as similar but there's a vital part missing.