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Wed 27 Mar, 2024 10:52 pm
I've done a few hours of online research into controversial topics, such as the existence of God and the afterlife, the safeness and effectiveness of vaccines, if red meat increases risk of colon cancer and other health problems, etc. But, all I see is ongoing controversy and no answer. So, I can't find the answer to any controversial topic, which means, for example, I don't know how likely vaccines are very beneficial or very harmful.
Pro vaccine and anti vaccine books on amazon present studies and claimed evidence in favor of vaccines being very beneficial or harmful. But, since these books are controversial, I don't know the answer. I might know the answer to controversial topics, such as the topic of vaccines, if I continue doing research. But, I've given up on searching for the answer because of 4 reasons:
1.) I don't have the passion to continuously search for an answer that I might or might never find. I never had this passion/interest and I might never have it. I only have the passion to do a few hours of research and that's it. 2.) There's a lot of research I'm unable to comprehend due to my lack of intelligence and inability to comprehend a lot of things in general.
3.) Note: What I'm going to explain will lead up to the 3rd reason being revealed: There are things we know are true. For example, we know thunder isn't caused by Thor, the flu is caused by a virus, living a lifestyle of smoking a lot, eating a lot of junk food, not getting enough sleep, etc. increases your risk of health problems, extremely high or low temperatures are life-threatening, etc.
Since we know these things are true, that's why they don't have ongoing controversy. But, what about topics that have ongoing controversy, such as the topics I've mentioned in the beginning? It could be the case nobody knows the answer and people just think they know. I don't know if that's the case or not. But, knowing it could be the case renders me giving up on searching for the answer to any controversial topic.
4.) Note: What I'm going to explain will lead up to the 4th reason being revealed: When it comes to controversial topics, there are experts in their specific fields. For example, there are paranormal experts (those who've done years of research regarding the claim of the paranormal), and there are professional skeptics (those who've done years of research regarding the natural world and scientific materialism, which is the idea that consciousness is nothing more than brain function, aka: "Once the brain dies, the mind goes with it.").
Since they're experts, that means they're much more intelligent than me, and some of them debate the paranormal and scientific materialism. So, in order for me to know whether the paranormal or scientific materialism is likely to be true or not (providing it can be known), then I might have to become highly intelligent like those experts. But, I might be incapable of ever achieving such intelligence.
Knowing this possible incapability renders me giving up on searching for the answer to the controversial topic of the paranormal, as well as any other controversial topic. Not to mention, I don't have the passion for becoming an expert on any subject. Now that I've discussed these 4 reasons, I'm going to continue discussing my ignorance. Since I don't know whether God is likely to exist or not, that means I'm not a theist or atheist.
But, I'm not an agnostic either because agnostics claim nobody knows if God is likely to exist or not. Since I consider the possibility one can know if he/she does enough research (perhaps years of research), and the possibility that nobody knows and can never know, then I'm not an agnostic. Since I'm not a theist, atheist, or agnostic, then what am I? I'd simply call myself "ignorant."
Christians would tell me my ignorance is inexcusable because the bible says God has given us signs that prove His existence. But, since claimed signs from God are controversial, then I don't know if they're signs or not. For example, it's controversial as to whether the planetary alignment on 9/23/2017 is the Revelation 12 sign (a sign from God), which means I don't know if it's a sign or not.
Some Christians claim it's a sign and that it's a 7 year warning that points to WW3 or the rapture and the tribulation occurring this year (2024). Again, I don't know if it is or not. As you can see, any claimed evidence of God's existence won't convince me, even if it seems quite convincing. There's a lot of claimed evidence for various claims that seems quite convincing to an ignorant person, such as myself.
But, I don't know if it's evidence or not because it's controversial. So, if anything controversial seems convincing to me, I won't be convinced of it. For example, this website (www.cross2victory.com) presents claimed signs and prophecies that make it seem quite convincing to me that there's going to be WW3 (nuclear war) this year.
But, there were such seemingly convincing predictions in the past of world war and worldwide catastrophies occurring on specific dates that didn't occur. So, there might be no WW3 this year or there might be. As you can see, I can't be convinced of apocalyptic claims or anything else besides facts, such as the fact that Abraham Lincoln was the 16th U.S. president, the fact we need air and water to survive, the fact that thunder isn't caused by Thor, etc.
That's why someone who's pro or anti vaccine won't convince me that vaccines are very beneficial or harmful by presenting a numerous amount of seemingly convincing, claimed evidence to me. But, even though I don't know the safeness and effectiveness of vaccines, I still have to decide whether to get vaccinated or not. I've decided not to, based upon the fact that few people in this world are trustworthy.
So, those who've created vaccines might be untrustworthy, which means vaccines might be very harmful (I don't know, though). Now, since I'm not convinced vaccines are beneficial or harmful, and since I'm not convinced of any other controversial topic, then what about my philosophy, which is controversial? Well, I'm not convinced of it, even though I said I was.
The only reason why I said I was convinced of it and that I was certain it'll never change is because living by any other philosophy has never worked for me, and I wanted to say something that would let readers know I'm closed off from other philosophies (that I reject them) because they don't work for me. For example, living by a philosophy that advocates embracing our unpleasant emotions didn't work for me during my moments of emotional displeasure.
In other words, my life of emotional displeasure was still unacceptable, despite living by that philosophy. That's why I said I'm convinced of my philosophy and that I'm certain it'll never change. Saying so was my way of rejecting that philosophy that didn't work for me. Honestly, I don't know if any other philosophy will ever work for me because a life of emotional pleasure has always been the only life that works for me. So, I've given up on other philosophies.
@Mindwave,
Quote:I don't know how likely vaccines are very beneficial or very harmful.
Well, they don't prevent infection or transmission. That' really all you need to know to make a decision.
@Mindwave,
By the way, I am referring to the mRNA experimental injection.
@Mindwave,
Mindwave...or
Ignorant if you prefer...
...that was a very boring thesis to read.
As for the atheist/theist/agnostic question...why not stop trying to put a label on whatever your position is...and simply live with the position.
My position on that particular question is:
I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...so I don't.
(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)
Most people see that as an agnostic position. But that is up to them.
Your position seems to be more an agnostic position than an "ignorant" position, but I still think it makes more sense to deliniate a position and present it as is...than to use a descriptor that may or may not apply.
The "vaccination" part of your OP sounds like total bullshit to me. I'm 87 years old and have been vaccinated often for many things...and have had no problem with them. It does appear that vaccination has helped humanity in general...and the vaccination problem right now has to do more with political sensibilities than science.
@Mindwave,
Hi Mindwave, I am a Christian and while the bible does say there are signs to prove God's existence, a Christian wouldn't judge you for thinking otherwise. We know that it is God who draws each person to himself. in his time. I was unaware of God's existence before He revealed himself to me. But afterwards I could see where he was working in my life. that is my experience anyway. I only just started understanding these questions of reality and the nature of the external world. I think because I grappled with my mental state partly because of stress, and menopause, that I wanted to understand how I was perceiving the world.
My understanding of some of your questions or statements is based on worldviews: upbringing and the experiences that brought us to where we are now. Each person is different, and I know my siblings have their own slightly different worldviews, but collectively, as communities, we may have similarities that are culturally informed, or for example language ould keep us in a restricted view of the world around us. I just read this quote 'Truth on this side of the Pyrenees, error on the other.” ― Blaise Pascal, Pensées. which makes a lot of sense. Wher I live people generally don't eat a stew or a curry with their fingers but on the other side of the world, it is culturally fine.
The God thing is more about faith; you decide in your heart you're going to explore this idea of there being a God that created your world and your own existence. I would suggest just calling out and saying 'hey if you are really real God then show yourself to me.' Doesn't cost you a single thing and if I'm wrong you're lost nothing. I believe God will show himself to you in a way you weren't expecting Him to.
I agreed with Frank saying make your stand say this is what I believe or this is where I stand, I like how he had those open-ended statements. you don't need to lock yourself into anything until you're really sure and even then things can change. While you are searching your worldview will change as you learn new things. Mine sure has over 30 years as a Christian.
I know my worldview is solid because I have already decided the place that I will react and respond to when things happen. Though I'm sure something could happen that I wasn't expecting to and I could fall down hard. But I also know I have the experience to draw on where I know that God will see me through. I know people have different thoughts and experiences to me so I won't expect them to see life like me or agree with me on everything. But I do like this idea of exploring different worldviews so I can speak with kindness and understanding.
Respectfully
TashF
@Mindwave,
Quote: 4.) Note: What I'm going to explain will lead up to the 4th reason being revealed: When it comes to controversial topics, there are experts in their specific fields. For example, there are paranormal experts (those who've done years of research regarding the claim of the paranormal), and there are professional skeptics (those who've done years of research regarding the natural world and scientific materialism, which is the idea that consciousness is nothing more than brain function, aka: "Once the brain dies, the mind goes with it.").
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/difference-between-mind-and-brain-neuroscientist
Who you are today, is connected to the first slimy creature to have crawled out of the primordial waters of the earth, by an unbroken genetic thread of life.
If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, [Human and pre-human] were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells within the innermost sanctuary behind the veil of the flesh, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”
Then of the Thee in Me who works behind The veil,
I lifted up my hands to find A lamp amid the Darkness;
and I heard, As from Without----
“The Me within Thee is blind.”----- By Omar Khayyam.
When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter Etcetera, Etcetera,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, which returns to ‘THE GREAT THOUGHT,’ [The collective consciousness of all that exists] from which it will be resurrected in this cycle, or the next cycle of universal activity
@The Anointed,
Flesh and blood, which includes brain matter, cannot inherit the kingdom of God., It is the invisible spiritual mind, which is the potential child of God.
This body that you see It isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit, I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
‘Who I Am’ until the day I’m finally born
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the earth from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To carry on in life’s eternal game. …. The Anointed.
Question on the rapture today. Will Aussies go first, or do we have to wait for America to wake up?
@Mindwave,
As you pointed out, the most common positions are theist, atheist, and agnostic, but some people refer to themselves as ignostic, meaning they are indifferent to whether gods exist.
@Wilso,
Very few go to heaven-Rev 14:3--144,000 are bought from the earth= the little flock( Luke 12:32)= numbered.
The great crowd( Rev 7:9) no man can number are the other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold. These are promised earth( Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29)- and are not going anywhere( Prov 2:21-22)
Blind guides in false religion of darkness tell all they are going to heaven.
@Mindwave,
Mindwave, you mentioned truth in your original post.
Well, we know the following:
Atheists and Theists agree that humankind is 100% responsible for all atrocities that have happened or will happen throughout history.
Agnostics agree that a devil (god) is 100% responsible for all atrocities that have happened or will happen throughout history.
@Jasper10,
So humankind and/or a devil (god) are 100% responsible for all atrocities that have happened or will happen throughout history according to Atheists;Theist’s and Agnostics.
@Mindwave,
Regarding vaccines, you don't need to do research. All you need to do is think about all the doctors and journalists and medical researchers who've been forced to research this before you, and then consider that if, at minimum, most vaccines didn't do more good than harm, they'd be warning you about that. Then you can also consider that the purely greed-based corporations that create the vaccines would also have a strong incentive to make vaccines safe so as not to send their stock plumetting into the underworld. For this reason, it'd make sense for someone to consider the effectiveness of one specific vaccine, but considering the idea that most vaccines aren't doing more good than harm is only slightly more rational as considering whether or not Earth is flat.
That said, I think you're wise to acknowledge that the experts are typically going to be smarter than us. That's what they're there for: so we don't have to think about every little thing. We just have to do enough thinking to determine that they're trustworthy.
Paranormal experts, however, if they're being honest, pretty much only find questions rather than answers. They've spent years on that, but they've found nothing that suggests their ideas have merit. They've just searched - not found, so that's not comparable to doctors finding cures to diseases and things that prove their hypothesis correct.
It's worth noting that even if consciousness is more than brain function, it'd be quite another major jump between that an an afterlife (a fact that people who tell themselves an afterlife exists often unconsciously skip over due to emotional bias, most likely, to make the concept of an afterlife seem more plausible.)
The main reason why people who think upon the topic without bias don't believe in an afterlife is merely because, I can alter the way my mind works through environmental effects, so it seems like if me scrambling my physical brain somehow can hinder my thought process, then ending my physical brain's activity would end my thought process.
Now, people who consider the prospect of an afterlife often propose that the "soul" is something like a signal that goes to a radio, with the body being the radio, and so even if the radio is destroyed the soul remains...but that's pre-supposing the existence of something we have no reason to believe exists yet nor to make assumptions about how it works, much less that our "soul" radio signal that supposedly remains after our bodily "radio" is destroyed in any way resembles anything you'd describe as "you" or I'd describe as "me."
So really, any belief in an afterlife is going to be rooted in a whole lot of nothing but mentally skipping over things that should not be skipped over if we want our hypothesis to be plausible...which is a common tendency when god and religion-related thought is involved due to all the bias associated with it.
In response to those Christians who'd say your supposed ignorance is inexcusable, I'd point out A: God has several traits that no patterns in reality point to being true, and therefore God's existence appears to be impossible, and therefore significantly less likely than another possible explanation of people throughout history just being wrong. I'd also point out that even if everything in the Bible is true, that could all be accomplished by non-divine aliens who don't need to have any of the impossible traits of a God (like telekinesis or thoughts existing outside of a brain) and therefore flawed, mortal aliens having done all of that for some reason using technology would be the more plausible explanation than God being real.
@Frank Apisa,
Regarding your statement: "Why not stop trying to put a label on whatever your position is...and simply live with that position?"
In my youth I did that, and it felt wrong...like people didn't know the full me. I will be single for life, but if I had a significant other I'd without question want her to know my religious beliefs (although I have relatives that that's not a big deal for, who don't discuss it...but that wouldn't work for me. I'm too interested in deep discussions about things like that to not have talking about that be an important part of a relationship between me and someone I'd share a life with). But also...I think there are definitely strategic advantages to society for atheists to loudly claim to be atheists. God-belief doesn't come through logic, so we need to contemplate other possible sources, and one very likely partial source is: "Everybody else believes it, so perhaps I should believe it too," and so the more people who claim not to believe it, the less convincing that may be, so I think it can be good to contemplate and define our beliefs.
I was born before there were vaccines for measles, mumps and chickenpox. I had all three as a young child and I remember being miserable with the pain, the itching, the loss of taste and smell and the fever. I also know people who didn't survive completely from measles, I worked with an executive who lost complete hearing in her right ear and frankly she was lucky to get spared any further damage. Chickenpox left scars that didn't always heal, leaving lifelong scars on faces, arms and legs. Without looking it up, all I remember about Mumps was that I was sick and couldn't swallow, very sore neck and throat. Measles was awful, red inflamed eyes, terrible rash that was hard not to scratch, my mother running around with a bottle of calamine lotion. It made food almost impossible to eat, and generally made you sick and listless.
However, since around the year 2005 when all of the American people became naturally immune from the illnesses, some amature health guru's decided they could no longer trust advice from people practicing medicine for 20, 30, 40 years. Hopefully they still had grandparents who could recognize stroke symptoms, or recognize measles rashes (as if it were still possible to get ill from a contagious disease) and could urge them to seek medical attention. Do the naturally immune folks still need to get a tetanus shot if they step on a rusty nail? I don't know, but is that just another old-fashioned habit followed by people who believe in infection rumors?
@Clinton Borror,
Clinton Borror wrote:
Regarding vaccines, you don't need to do research. All you need to do is think about all the doctors and journalists and medical researchers who've been forced to research this before you, and then consider that if, at minimum, most vaccines didn't do more good than harm, they'd be warning you about that. Then you can also consider that the purely greed-based corporations that create the vaccines would also have a strong incentive to make vaccines safe so as not to send their stock plumetting into the underworld. For this reason, it'd make sense for someone to consider the effectiveness of one specific vaccine, but considering the idea that most vaccines aren't doing more good than harm is only slightly more rational as considering whether or not Earth is flat.
That said, I think you're wise to acknowledge that the experts are typically going to be smarter than us. That's what they're there for: so we don't have to think about every little thing. We just have to do enough thinking to determine that they're trustworthy.
Paranormal experts, however, if they're being honest, pretty much only find questions rather than answers. They've spent years on that, but they've found nothing that suggests their ideas have merit. They've just searched - not found, so that's not comparable to doctors finding cures to diseases and things that prove their hypothesis correct.
It's worth noting that even if consciousness is more than brain function, it'd be quite another major jump between that an an afterlife (a fact that people who tell themselves an afterlife exists often unconsciously skip over due to emotional bias, most likely, to make the concept of an afterlife seem more plausible.)
The main reason why people who think upon the topic without bias don't believe in an afterlife is merely because, I can alter the way my mind works through environmental effects, so it seems like if me scrambling my physical brain somehow can hinder my thought process, then ending my physical brain's activity would end my thought process.
Now, people who consider the prospect of an afterlife often propose that the "soul" is something like a signal that goes to a radio, with the body being the radio, and so even if the radio is destroyed the soul remains...but that's pre-supposing the existence of something we have no reason to believe exists yet nor to make assumptions about how it works, much less that our "soul" radio signal that supposedly remains after our bodily "radio" is destroyed in any way resembles anything you'd describe as "you" or I'd describe as "me."
So really, any belief in an afterlife is going to be rooted in a whole lot of nothing but mentally skipping over things that should not be skipped over if we want our hypothesis to be plausible...which is a common tendency when god and religion-related thought is involved due to all the bias associated with it.
In response to those Christians who'd say your supposed ignorance is inexcusable, I'd point out A: God has several traits that no patterns in reality point to being true, and therefore God's existence appears to be impossible, and therefore significantly less likely than another possible explanation of people throughout history just being wrong. I'd also point out that even if everything in the Bible is true, that could all be accomplished by non-divine aliens who don't need to have any of the impossible traits of a God (like telekinesis or thoughts existing outside of a brain) and therefore flawed, mortal aliens having done all of that for some reason using technology would be the more plausible explanation than God being real.
The "belief in God" (which is merely a blind guess that a god exists) is, as indicated, nothing more than a blind guess about the REALITY of existence.
The belief that no gods exist...is every bit as much a blind guess.
The assertion, "I do not know if any gods exist or not and I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess" is really an acknowledgement that the true nature of the REALITY of existence is not known to the person making the assertion...and that any guess made would be a blind one.
It is my opinion that that last position is a hell of a lot more honest than either of the other positions.
@Clinton Borror,
Clinton Borror wrote:
Regarding your statement: "Why not stop trying to put a label on whatever your position is...and simply live with that position?"
In my youth I did that, and it felt wrong...like people didn't know the full me. I will be single for life, but if I had a significant other I'd without question want her to know my religious beliefs (although I have relatives that that's not a big deal for, who don't discuss it...but that wouldn't work for me. I'm too interested in deep discussions about things like that to not have talking about that be an important part of a relationship between me and someone I'd share a life with). But also...I think there are definitely strategic advantages to society for atheists to loudly claim to be atheists. God-belief doesn't come through logic, so we need to contemplate other possible sources, and one very likely partial source is: "Everybody else believes it, so perhaps I should believe it too," and so the more people who claim not to believe it, the less convincing that may be, so I think it can be good to contemplate and define our beliefs.
I am not suggesting one hide his/her "religious beliefs" (or blind guesses)...I am simply suggesting codifying them rather that using labels...which do not do most positions justice. Using "atheist" means all sorts of things. I don't know what the person means until they explain what they mean when they use that term.
What do you mean?
@Frank Apisa,
I think "atheist has a pretty commonly understood, but vaguely understood meaning, which is a lack of belief in Gods. The question is, what is a God? I think "God" also has a pretty commonly understood, but vaguely understood meaning too. I'd say a monotheistic God is a sapient, singular, universe-ruling entity that was not designed through technology and who possesses illogical traits.
It likely sounds like I'm being rude when I define God as having illogical traits, but I think that's just a historically necessary part of what most people think of a God as. If its existence is pointed to by the patterns we see in reality, it just won't be called a God. It's going to typically be called an alien or unintelligent nature or something. So, I'd say humanity has typically defined God as a powerful, sapient, universe-ruling entity whose existence is impossible, and we just typically ignore the impossible part and find some way to convince ourselves that its existence is possible based on ignoring the reasoning processes we use to typically determine whether or not things are possible.
So, that's what I mean when I say "God." I figure it's like, people imagined aliens after thinking the reasonable process of "humans exist. Therefore other tool-using life might exist on other planets." and then proceeding to contemplate how they might behave and think. They can do many similar things as Gods, but unlike gods, there will be reasonable explanations.
Gods, alternatively, being largely defined by their impossibility, simply use magic, such as Zues transforming into a swan.
Another shorter definition of a "god" I've used in the past has been: "a subcategory of alien whose existence is impossible due to having impossible traits." I think that would apply well if we're referring to polytheistic gods, who of course are not just one singular God. The main difference between polytheistic gods and aliens, I'd say, is pretty much just that I'd argue aliens are possible and polytheistic gods are not, which we can tell based on the traits they have.
So, there could be some kind of super-computer controlling our universe as a computer simulation, but that would be possible, so it's not a god, but rather an alien (if it's sentient) or an alien construct if it's not.
There could be aliens with the ability to inhabit new bodies, such as through uploading their consciousness into them after centuries of research, but because that's possible, they'd be aliens, not gods. Zues, on the other hand, who can simply shapeshift into a swan without explanation, is therefore an impossible being, and therefore Zues is a god rather than an alien.
Now, of course there are a lot of people with more broad views of God than that, like Baruch Spinoza and Einstein who ponder the existence of gods who might exist (because the beliefs of Einstein and Baruch Spinoza may well have been nearly indistinguishable from the typical beliefs of atheists), but I don't think those are the types of gods that atheists are referring to when they claim a lack of belief in God.
@Frank Apisa,
Neither the belief or lack of belief in a god need be a blind guess. Really, they should never be blind guesses. Every day we ignore infinite possibilities and presume them to be impossible because that's what makes our lives manageable. Were we constantly preparing for pink elephants raining from the skies we'd have no energy to prepare for more plausible risks.
So, we have no choice but to think about patterns in reality and label that which they point to as "possible" and that which they don't as "impossible." more or less.
So, either we can't think of reasons to believe in God and we place God's existence into the same category as pink elephants raining from the sky, or can and we place it into the box of things to research further to figure out its likelihood.
But there's almost never a reason to perceive whether something is true or not as just a blind guess. I can pretty much always think of some kind of reasoning process to at least come a bit close than that to figuring out the likelihood of something. You can always at least try anyway and get feedback, because we'll often be wrong about our ideas about likelihood.
Right now, the thing I'm closest to agnostic about is whether or not we live inside a computer simulation. I have no idea how to determine the likelihood of that...but I have ideas of where to start if I wanted to invest more energy into that. I've heard people claim that there are signs of computer code embedded into the nature of reality. I might delve into that to see if I can better understand what the heck I'm talking about, and just keep researching and trying to understand the nature of reality better until I can perhaps better determine a likelihood.
Gods though, I'd place their likelihood as a flat "zero" percent, for the same reason I place everything else I'd never expect to exist in that category. They've just got too many traits that I'd also see no reason for the existence of: telepathy/thoughts existing outside of a brain/omniscience/etc.
@Clinton Borror,
Clinton Borror wrote:
I think "atheist has a pretty commonly understood, but vaguely understood meaning, which is a lack of belief in Gods. The question is, what is a God? I think "God" also has a pretty commonly understood, but vaguely understood meaning too. I'd say a monotheistic God is a sapient, singular, universe-ruling entity that was not designed through technology and who possesses illogical traits.
It likely sounds like I'm being rude when I define God as having illogical traits, but I think that's just a historically necessary part of what most people think of a God as. If its existence is pointed to by the patterns we see in reality, it just won't be called a God. It's going to typically be called an alien or unintelligent nature or something. So, I'd say humanity has typically defined God as a powerful, sapient, universe-ruling entity whose existence is impossible, and we just typically ignore the impossible part and find some way to convince ourselves that its existence is possible based on ignoring the reasoning processes we use to typically determine whether or not things are possible.
So, that's what I mean when I say "God." I figure it's like, people imagined aliens after thinking the reasonable process of "humans exist. Therefore other tool-using life might exist on other planets." and then proceeding to contemplate how they might behave and think. They can do many similar things as Gods, but unlike gods, there will be reasonable explanations.
Gods, alternatively, being largely defined by their impossibility, simply use magic, such as Zues transforming into a swan.
Another shorter definition of a "god" I've used in the past has been: "a subcategory of alien whose existence is impossible due to having impossible traits." I think that would apply well if we're referring to polytheistic gods, who of course are not just one singular God. The main difference between polytheistic gods and aliens, I'd say, is pretty much just that I'd argue aliens are possible and polytheistic gods are not, which we can tell based on the traits they have.
So, there could be some kind of super-computer controlling our universe as a computer simulation, but that would be possible, so it's not a god, but rather an alien (if it's sentient) or an alien construct if it's not.
There could be aliens with the ability to inhabit new bodies, such as through uploading their consciousness into them after centuries of research, but because that's possible, they'd be aliens, not gods. Zues, on the other hand, who can simply shapeshift into a swan without explanation, is therefore an impossible being, and therefore Zues is a god rather than an alien.
Now, of course there are a lot of people with more broad views of God than that, like Baruch Spinoza and Einstein who ponder the existence of gods who might exist (because the beliefs of Einstein and Baruch Spinoza may well have been nearly indistinguishable from the typical beliefs of atheists), but I don't think those are the types of gods that atheists are referring to when they claim a lack of belief in God.
Way too much meandering. Let's take this piece by piece, Clinton.
You seem comfortable with basing your opinions on this issue by insisting that a god is impossible...definitionally.
That involves two unnecessary, unwarranted, and probably illogical assumptions...that gods are impossible...and that the definitions given by humans are an end all on the question.
Can you see that...or must that be discussed in greater depth?