life is pleasure

if you're not aware of it then you're not feeling it. exactly.

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if you're not aware of it then you're not feeling it. exactly.

No, you're feeling it subconsciously. You're feeling it, but you focused more on the numbing neurotransmitter. Basically you're being lied to by the drugs. :wink:

Anyways, it harms you, and you certainly feel it on all levels afterwards.

Well, when my ex was beating the crap out of me, I'm pretty darn sure there was no pleasure there

no, if you're not feeling it, then you're not feeling it. if i tell, ray, i'm happy right now, and you start babbling to me about nuerotransmitters, i'm going to still know that you're wrong.

pain can be pleasure, pain can be considered a good thing.

Also, your original argument was "life is pleasure" and

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pain can be pleasure, pain can be considered a good thing.

The latter is in itself a contradiction.

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no, if you're not feeling it, then you're not feeling it. if i tell, ray, i'm happy right now, and you start babbling to me about nuerotransmitters, i'm going to still know that you're wrong.

What? If I start talking about neurotransmitters, I would be talking about how you're feeling happy, so I'm not wrong.

Are you suggesting that we should feel pleasure for what we feel painful?

And define pleasure and pain already.

know if i'm happy. ME. you don't know. i do.

if i tell, ray, i'm happy right now, and you start babbling to me about nuerotransmitters, i'm going to still know that you're wrong.

If pain is something that is undesireable, then pain can not be pleasure, which is in general means something that is completely opposite of pain. If you mean something else, then tell me.

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know if i'm happy. ME. you don't know. i do.

Of course, but you said:

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if i tell, ray, i'm happy right now, and you start babbling to me about nuerotransmitters, i'm going to still know that you're wrong.

It doesn't make much sense.

Others in this thread btw, have stated that life is not always pleasureable, because pain can arise, and they don't call it pleasure, yet you come up with this argument about you being happy and noone else can say anything about it, which sort of defeats your main argument because others have said that life is not always pleasureable for them.

You also seem to equate the feeling of pleasure (which I am now assuming that you mean something that triggers the likes of adrenaline or dopamine to be stimulated by the sympathetic nervous system). Yet, alcoholics or sex addict may feel pleasure but are unhappy.

well maybe they are confused, like you say, and don't know that they are actually happy all the time. and thats going by your argumetn. i know how i feel, however, and therea re different types of pleasure.

Huh?

Never mind, lol.

I'm not accusing you of confusing your emotions! Please, understand that I am not trying to attack you on a personal level and if I gave you that idea, sorry...

And confusing emotions does not mean that you are not smart.

Anyways, semantics are important in debates because people generally have different meanings attached to a word.

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well maybe they are confused, like you say, and don't know that they are actually happy all the time. and thats going by your argumetn. i know how i feel, however, and therea re different types of pleasure.

They could be confused, and you could be confused, but they've stated that life is not always pleasure because pain can and have arise in life.
Talk to the poor, and they'll tell you that life is not always pleasure.
Your life may be pleasureable overall, but you cna't say that about every other person's life. You could say that life is good however.

Reading from what you said about different types of pleasure, then you're talking about feelings like excitement. Well here's the thing there are two levels of what is considered "pain." On one level is physiological pain, and on the other level is mental pain. Usually, the former triggers the latter, but in people with mental disorders, they may not or they may trigger some other reactions.

life = pleasure, agreed?