@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:
There's one other thing I'd like to note. I've discussed this subject with you before and I've never heard you say anything that sounded like "I revere free speech very much but I must make an exception for this restricted set of cases." It sounds to me like you don't revere free speech at all even as an abstract idea.
This is one of my favorite topics because of its complexity and the nuances involved. My position is pretty clear across numerous threads and hundreds of posts. If you want a microcosm of those opinions, you can read my thread on
The Case of the Cursing Cheerleader. For those new to the site, my opinion is that speech is absolutely protected against government control or retaliation. This is the text of the first amendment which I wholeheartedly support.
Constitution of the United States of America wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
What is also guaranteed in the Constitution are rights for freedom of assembly, privacy and certain guarantees of privacy. The government cannot restrict speech, but private citizens and companies absolutely can in their homes and on their properties. They can disassociate themselves from these whose speech they disagree with. Whether I would make the same call in their shoes is irrelevant. These are Constitutional rights and are on the same level as the freedom from government interference on speech in the first amendment. You have already agreed that the free speech protections in the Constitution do not apply to Twitter as a private company. I take that further and say that Twitter exercising their Constitutional rights to run their site as they see fit is their business (and it is a business). There are other sites that choose different priorities.
Brandon9000 wrote:
First of all, I'd like to clarify that I never said I'd ban invocations to violence. I referred to "imminent violence." I think I even said something like "note especially the word imminent." It seems to take a lot to make you process what I say.
Actually, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but thank you for clarifying. So, were you to have control of a social media platform, you would absolutely permit invocations to violence such as calling for a politician's rape or death or the extermination of a minority, as long as it wasn't "imminent". Yes, I disagree with that and would not do so on a site I controlled. Nor would I allow revenge porn, doxxing, commercial speech etc. My terms of service would probably look a lot like A2K's.
Brandon9000 wrote:
The fact that you are able construct lists of examples where I might restrict something doesn't alter the fact that I wouldn't ban the things that you would ban. I wouldn't ban opinions because they're disgusting. I wouldn't label statements "misinformation" and ban them because I thought they were probably false. I wouldn't ban things because I thought they might have a negative effect on the community. My philosophy is to allow everyone to speak and let the community sort out good and bad.
The fact that I am able construct lists of examples where you might restrict speech shows that your blanket approach doesn't work, even for you. You say you wouldn't label statements as "misinformation", so I assume you take issue with those sites that do that. That is them expressing their free speech rights. You say, as I have, that the best answer to noxious free speech is more free speech. Labeling misinformation is an example of "more free speech". Given your stated position, you should be applauding sites that publish opinions they disagree with and then label them.
I will point out one thing here. You are on A2K. Robert has stated he is a champion of free speech, but there are
terms of service for the site and posts are moderated. If you haven't read them for a while, they are worth a look. As far as I can tell, most of the moderations and suspensions are for personal attacks and spam, but this site is not a free for all. Why are you still here? 4Chan has a politics site (I think it is called Politically Incorrect.) I looked at it. Let's just say it is pretty free, right in line with what you have advocated here. Saying that is not me suggesting you leave but showing you what an alternative in line with your thinking looks like. My guess is you wouldn't like it.