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The Ballad of Twitter and that Billionaire Bumpkin, Elon Musk

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 01:48 pm
@Brandon9000,
This is an opinion board. Just because you disagree with it doesn't immediately invalidate something.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 04:23 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

This is an opinion board. Just because you disagree with it doesn't immediately invalidate something.

Your argument depends on claiming you know what Musk thinks and what his motivations are, which you don't. Mind reading arguments are automatically invalid.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 04:51 pm
@Brandon9000,
Sez you.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 06:09 am
Quote:
Employees sue Twitter after staff are informed that layoffs are set to begin

Elon Musk will begin laying off Twitter employees on Friday morning, according to a memo sent to staff, as several Twitter employees file a class action lawsuit alleging the layoffs are in violation of labor law.

The email sent Thursday evening notified employees that they will receive a notice by 12 p.m. ET Friday that informs them of their employment status.

“If your employment is not impacted, you will receive a notification via your Twitter email,” a copy of the email obtained by CNN said. “If your employment is impacted, you will receive a notification with next steps via your personal email.”

The email added that “to help ensure the safety” of employees and Twitter’s systems, the company’s offices “will be temporarily closed and all badge access will be suspended.”

The email concluded acknowledging that it will be “an incredibly challenging experience to go through” for the workforce.

The memo comes after news reports that Musk had planned to lay off up to half of the company’s staff after acquiring it last week for $44 billion.

On Thursday night and into Friday morning, some Twitter employees began posting on the platform that they had already been locked out of their company email accounts ahead of the planned layoff notification. Some also shared blue hearts and salute emojis indicating they were out at the company, as well as #LoveWhereYouWorked, a past-tense play on a hashtag previously often used by Twitter employees.

The class action lawsuit filed Thursday alleges Twitter is in violation of the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN Act) after laying off some employees already.

The WARN Act requires that an employer with more than 100 employees must provide 60 days’ advanced written notice prior to a mass layoff “affecting 50 or more employees at a single site of employment.”
(cnn)
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 06:17 am
@Brandon9000,
My argument is based on a reasonable interpretation of Musk's observed actions. You don't have to agree, but if you draw another conclusion from those actions, feel free to voice it.
jcboy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 07:46 am
Look how quickly things changed from "We're all going to Mars" to "Give me 8 dollars a month". Quite a few people are dumping twitter, soon all that will be left are a bunch of old white trumplicans.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 09:35 am
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING WARN
An employer who violates WARN is liable to each affected employee for an
amount equal to back pay and benefits for the period of violation, up to 60
days. This liability may be reduced by any wages the employer pays over the
notice period. WARN liability may also be reduced by any voluntary and
unconditional payment not required by a legal obligation.
An employer who fails to provide notice as required to a unit of local government is subject to a civil penalty not to exceed $500 for each day of violation.
The penalty may be avoided if the employer satisfies its liability to each
affected employee within three weeks after the closing. In any suit, the court,
in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party a reasonable attorney's fee as
part of the costs.


Musk paid 44 BILLION dollars for the company. I am sure he will pay each employee for 60 days of wages and benefits. It's as if the world believes Musk is an idiot and doesn't know basic business law.

Why would he want unhappy employees sabotaging the company for 60 days waiting for their termination day?
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 09:37 am
@McGentrix,

which part of "an employer must provide 60 days’ advanced written notice prior to a mass layoff" don't you get?
jcboy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 10:44 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Tribel is trying to move in. I have visited a few times. Not real impressed.


Same here, I've only logged in a couple of times. It was started by Omar Rivero who also started the Facebook account Occupy Democrats.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 11:33 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

My argument is based on a reasonable interpretation of Musk's observed actions. You don't have to agree, but if you draw another conclusion from those actions, feel free to voice it.

You may speculate all you like, but any argument based on the claim that you know what other people are thinking is a priori invalid.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 11:35 am
@Brandon9000,
You don't seem to have a problem with McGentrix saying what Musk will do.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 10:18 pm
@izzythepush,
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2022 10:40 pm
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


which part of "an employer must provide 60 days’ advanced written notice prior to a mass layoff" don't you get?


The part where it has a penalty for not doing it. What are they going to do? Take his company away from him?

Which part of that don't you understand?
engineer
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 05:24 am
@McGentrix,
Is your point that companies do not need to follow the law?
engineer
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 06:12 am
Hate speech dramatically increases after Twitter goes private.

Quote:
Researchers from Montclair State University found that the 12 hours immediately following Musk's ascension to ownership saw a much more "hostile" environment on Twitter. The team looked at tweets filled with "vulgar and hostile" rhetoric aimed at people based on their race, religion, ethnicity and orientation, such as the "n-word," "k-word," and "f-word," to find out just how bad it got. And what they found was an "immediate, visible, and measurable spike."

In the week leading up to Musk's acquisition, researchers said there were no more than 84 hostile tweets an hour on the platform. But from midnight on October 28 – the day Musk took ownership – to noon the next day, there were 4,778 hate-filled tweets. That accounts for more than 398 tweets an hour, about 4.7 times higher than the seven-day average leading up to that day. The potential reach for those tweets was more than 3 million, researchers found. Researchers also said there was an increase in negative sentiment, with more than 67% of the tweets sent after Musk's takeover having a negative tone.

"In sum, the content and tone of Twitter posts became measurably more oriented towards hate speech on the day Elon Musk became CEO of the company with significant reach attained for this hate content," the study says.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:30 am
Story in the Guardian about Labour's political advertising avoiding twitter. Not for ideological reasons but because it's not cost effective.

Quote:
Red wall Tory MPs are being targeted by Labour attack ads over their failure to oppose a ban on fracking, as part of an overhaul of the party’s social media effort.

A new in-house digital team, filled with former Google and tech start-up employees, has been building new applications for the party to create, target and publish swift social media ads at swing voters. They have so far concentrated on fracking, the rising costs of mortgages, the Tory record on the economy and Labour’s opposition to some of the direct action taken by Just Stop Oil protesters.

Insiders said the party was shunning Twitter in favour of Facebook and Instagram, used more often by key groups of voters.

They are also trying to deploy messages through the real experiences of voters, rather than using politicians. The party is preparing a new digital and data academy to educate staff in data science, while a digital training scheme is planned for the new year, as the party switches to election mode.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/05/labour-facebook-ads-attack-red-wall-tory-mps-in-drive-to-swing-voters<br />
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 06:22 pm
@engineer,
It seems like I outlined the penalty for not following the law... Why would I have purposefully done that? Any ideas?

Maybe paying 3500 people for 60 days and not allowing them any access to the mechanisms would be worth it to the guy who just paid 44 billion dollars for the company. How much do you think those 60 days are going to cost Musk?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 06:23 pm
@engineer,
Yeah, by a very limited number of bot accounts that no one knows who is really behind.

Who do you think stands to gain from such things?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 07:04 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Hate speech dramatically increases after Twitter goes private.

Quote:
Researchers from Montclair State University found that the 12 hours immediately following Musk's ascension to ownership saw a much more "hostile" environment on Twitter. The team looked at tweets filled with "vulgar and hostile" rhetoric aimed at people based on their race, religion, ethnicity and orientation, such as the "n-word," "k-word," and "f-word," to find out just how bad it got. And what they found was an "immediate, visible, and measurable spike."

In the week leading up to Musk's acquisition, researchers said there were no more than 84 hostile tweets an hour on the platform. But from midnight on October 28 – the day Musk took ownership – to noon the next day, there were 4,778 hate-filled tweets. That accounts for more than 398 tweets an hour, about 4.7 times higher than the seven-day average leading up to that day. The potential reach for those tweets was more than 3 million, researchers found. Researchers also said there was an increase in negative sentiment, with more than 67% of the tweets sent after Musk's takeover having a negative tone.

"In sum, the content and tone of Twitter posts became measurably more oriented towards hate speech on the day Elon Musk became CEO of the company with significant reach attained for this hate content," the study says.


As with any freedom, there will be people who misuse it, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be freedom. It's important to protect people's right to express their opinions and even speech that virtually everyone finds repugnant should be protected. When they come for your freedom, they'll start with the people that almost everyone disapproves of. Eventually, they'll get to you.
engineer
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 07:56 pm
@Brandon9000,
Free speech does not mean that you can abuse a private company's service in any way you want. If you want to stand on a public street corner and spout racist speech, that is your right. If you stand in the middle of a Cracker Barrel dining room, you will be shown the door at a minimum or perhaps arrested. If your homeowners' association has a public announcement board by the swimming pool and you want to post antisemitic posters there, they are completely within their rights to take them down and ban you. The NYT does not have to publish every letter that arrives in its inbox. Private companies do not have to permit their resources to be used in ways they don't approve of or in ways inimical to their mission. That's why there are "Terms of Service". Prior to this buyout, the purpose of Twitter as a public company was to return a profit to its stakeholders. It made the call that allowing hate speech to thrive on its service would dissuade advertisers (who make up 90% of Twitter's revenue), so they took steps to limit it. Musk is making a different calculation, but Free Speech doesn't mean that you can demand someone else pay for it.
 

 
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