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Putin's War Part 2.

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Thu 12 May, 2022 06:59 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Yup. The war needs to be reported on. Can’t argue with that.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2022 06:53 am
@snood,
I will admit the success of Ukraine's successful resistance and Russia's disastrous missteps and massacres, that some of the shear volume of combat footage threatens to become war porn. I have to remind myself over and over - those Russians are human, too, and that a large portion of them have no desire to be in Ukraine and have family that will never know how their sons, fathers, brothers, husbands died or when or where or where they are buried.

In the ashes of however this ends are the sparks for the next explosion.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2022 07:00 am
@bobsal u1553115,
There is an interview on the BBC website with a professional tennis player now fighting on the front line.

He was concerned about fighting and how he would view the enemy. Apparently all that changed when he saw the evidence of war crimes all around him, of which only a small amount has been shownover here.

Now he just wants to kill Russians, that Russian hatred will not go away for a very long time.

If tomorrow, Putin is overthrown in a coup, the war ended, troops withdrawn and reparations paid, the Russians will still be hated for years to come.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2022 07:10 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
If tomorrow, Putin is overthrown in a coup, the war ended, troops withdrawn and reparations paid, the Russians will still be hated for years to come.
The reverse is also true, because the Russians' hatred of the Ukrainians also runs deep, as there is a long, traditional relationship of oppression between Ukraine and Russia.
The confessed perpetrator is a 54-year-old German from Paderborn. He was born in the former USSR. At his workplace, the metalworker made metal cramps to drill into the bus tyres, but only partially succeeded (though dozens of times).
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2022 07:29 am
Ukraine begins a trial of a Russian soldier accused of a war crime, a first since the conflict began.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/13/world/russia-ukraine-war-news#ukraine-begins-a-war-crimes-trial-of-a-russian-soldier-a-first-since-the-conflict-began


Sergeant Vadim Shishimarin, 21, at a court hearing in Kyiv, Ukraine, on Friday. He is accused of shooting a civilian on a bicycle in the village of Chupakhivka four days after the invasion began on Feb. 24.

KYIV, Ukraine— The Ukrainian judicial authorities on Friday began a case against a Russian soldier accused of shooting a civilian, the first trial involving a suspected war crime by a Russian service member since the invasion began in February.

The soldier, Sgt. Vadim Shysimarin, is accused of shooting a 62-year-old man on a bicycle in the village of Chupakhivka in the Sumy region, about 200 miles east of Kyiv. The man was killed on Feb. 28, four days after the full-scale invasion began, and his body left on the side of the road.

Sgt. Shysimarin, part of a tank division from the Moscow region, was subsequently captured, although details of how that transpired remain unclear. The indictment will be read on May 18. He faces 10 to 15 years in prison.

He was brought into the courtroom in handcuffs and seated before the judicial authorities on Friday, locked in a glass box. Wearing a blue and gray hooded sweatshirt and sweatpants, Sgt. Shysimarin kept his shaved head bowed for the duration of the proceedings and did not respond to journalist questions about how he was feeling.

According to an investigation by Ukraine’s intelligence agency, the S.B.U., and the General Prosecution, the sergeant and four other servicemen stole a car at gunpoint while fleeing Ukrainian forces and drove into the village, where they saw an unarmed 62-year-old resident biking on the roadside and talking on a phone.

Sgt. Shysimarin was ordered to kill the civilian so that he would not report his group of soldiers, prosecutors say. He fired a Kalashnikov rifle out of the car window at the man’s head and killed him on the spot — just a few dozen yards from his home, the investigation said. Prosecutors said they were able to identify the exact weapon that Sgt. Shysimarin used.

Sgt. Shysimarin is being defended by Viktor Ovsyannikov, a Ukrainian court-appointed lawyer.

“For me it is just work,” he said when asked how he felt about defending someone accused of being a war criminal. “It is very important to make sure my client’s human rights are protected, to show that we are a country different to the one he is from.”

Ukraine’s general prosecutor, Iryna Venediktova, and Ukrainian law enforcement agencies, assisted by international experts, have been meticulously compiling evidence of war crimes. What makes this case rare is that the suspect is in Ukrainian custody.

War crimes trials typically stem from violations of international laws related to conflict. The best-known trials, such as those in the German city of Nuremberg at the end of World War II, have largely taken place once a conflict has finished.

Russian forces in Ukraine are accused of atrocities in areas they seized, many of which likely fall under the category of war crimes. Publicity surrounding these atrocities has served to galvanize international opinion against Moscow. The Russian authorities have denied all responsibility for civilian killings and abuse.

On Thursday, the United Nations human rights chief, Michelle Bachelet, said that the bodies of more than 1,000 civilians had been recovered in areas north of Kyiv that Russian forces had occupied, including several hundred who were summarily executed and others who were shot by snipers. Ms. Bachelet said the figure would likely increase.

Amid ongoing efforts to document each killing, the Ukrainian government published the names and photos of 10 Russian soldiers who it said had committed war crimes in Bucha, a suburb north of Kyiv.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2022 07:32 am
@izzythepush,
I'm a cold warrior, I have no love for Russians past some individuals I've met. It does not matter the form of government, the Russians are always brutal.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2022 01:54 am
As Russia has not declared war, Russian soldiers are finding it easier to refuse to fight.

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When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade were told in early April to prepare for a second deployment to Ukraine, fear broke out among the ranks.

The unit, stationed in Russia’s far east during peacetime, first entered Ukraine from Belarus when the war started at the end of February and saw bitter combat with Ukrainian forces.

“It soon became clear that not everyone was onboard with it. Many of us simply did not want to go back,” said Dmitri, a member of the unit who asked not to be identified with his real name. “I want to return to my family – and not in a casket.”

Along with eight others, Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. “They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn’t much they could do,” he said.

He was soon transferred to Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, where he has been stationed since. “I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June. I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here,” he said. “I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren’t officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go.”

Dmitri’s refusal to fight highlights some of the military difficulties the Russian army has faced as a result of the Kremlin’s political decision not to formally declare war on Ukraine – preferring instead to describe the invasion, which will soon reach its fourth month, as a “special military operation”.

Under Russian military rules, troops who refuse to fight in Ukraine can face dismissal but cannot be prosecuted, said Mikhail Benyash, a lawyer who has been advising soldiers who choose that option.

Benyash said “hundreds and hundreds” of soldiers had been in touch with his team for advice on how they could avoid being sent to fight. Among them were 12 national guardsmen from Russia’s southern city of Krasnodar who were fired after refusing to go to Ukraine.

“Commanders try to threaten their soldiers with prison time if they dissent, but we tell the soldiers that they can simply say no,” Benyash said, adding that he was not aware of any criminal cases against soldiers who refused to fight. “There are no legal grounds to start a criminal case if a soldier refuses to fight while on Russian territory.”

Many soldiers, therefore, have chosen to be fired or transferred rather than going into “the meat grinder”, he said.

A similar account to Dmitri’s was given to the BBC’s Russian service by Sergey Bokov, a 23-year-old soldier who at the end of April decided to leave the army after fighting in Ukraine. “Our commanders didn’t even argue with us because we were not the first ones to leave,” Bokov said.

Pointing to Russia’s military laws, Benyash said it would be more difficult for soldiers to refuse to fight if Russia were to declare a full-scale war. “During wartime, rules are totally different. Refusal then would mean much harsher penalties. They would be looking at time in prison.”

While the exact number of soldiers refusing to fight remains unclear, such stories illustrate what military experts and western governments say is one of Russia’s biggest obstacles in Ukraine: a severe shortage of infantry soldiers.

Moscow initially put about 80% of its main ground combat forces – 150,000 men – into the war in February, according to western officials. But significant damage has been done to that army, which has confronted logistical problems, poor morale and an underestimated Ukrainian resistance.

“Putin needs to make a decision regarding mobilisation in the coming weeks,” said Rob Lee, a military analyst. “Russia lacks sufficient ground units with contract soldiers for a sustainable rotation. The troops are getting exhausted – they won’t be able to keep this up for a long period.”

Lee said one option for the Kremlin would be to authorise the deployment of conscript units to Ukraine, despite Putin’s earlier pledges that Russia would not use any conscripts in the war. “Conscripts could fill some of the gaps, but they will be poorly trained. Many of the units that are supposed to train conscripts are fighting themselves,” Lee said.

But without conscript battalions, Russia could soon “struggle to hold the territory it currently controls in Ukraine, especially as Ukraine receives better equipment from Nato,” he said.

Russian authorities quietly stepped up their efforts to recruit new soldiers as it became clear that a quick victory in Ukraine was unattainable.

An investigation by the BBC’s Russian service showed that Russia’s defence ministry filled employment websites with vacancies, offering people with no combat experience opportunities to join the army on lucrative short-term contracts. Some large government-run companies have received letters urging them to sign up their staff for the army.

Russia has also turned to mercenaries to bolster its war efforts, deploying fighters from the shadowy Kremlin-linked Wagner group.

But analysts say voluntary recruits and mercenary groups are unlikely to lead to a substantial increase in the number of new soldiers, compared with the numbers that a partial or a full-scale mobilisation would bring.

Despite speculation beforehand, Putin did not formally declare war on Ukraine during his Victory Day speech on 9 May.

Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment, said the authorities may be worried that a general mobilisation would antagonise large sections of the population that support the “special operation”.

Russians “might be in favour of the conflict, but they don’t actually want to fight,” he said, adding that a general mobilisation would entail “colossal losses of untrained soldiers”.

And while the current status of the conflict gives Russian soldiers a legal path to refuse participation, some soldiers have complained that it has also led to them not being adequately cared for.

A junior sergeant said he was injured during one of the recent Ukrainian attacks on the Russian border territory where he was stationed. His superiors argued that he should not be given the monetary compensation of up to £2,500 that wounded Russians are entitled to by law because his injury took place on Russian soil – meaning it did not fall under the rules of Russia’s “special military operation”.

“It is unfair, I am fighting in this war just as the others in Ukraine, risking my life,” the soldier said. “If I don’t get the compensation that I am entitled to soon, I will go public and make a major issue of it.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-russian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2022 11:35 pm
Ukraine wins the Eurovision song contest.


Britain comes second!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 05:21 am
MacDonalds has just announced it will be leaving Russia for good.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 05:46 am
@izzythepush,
Italian cyber security foiled an attempt by Russian hackers to disrupt the voting for Eurovision.

Ukraine still won, resoundingly.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 06:38 am
@izzythepush,
It's an astounding burning down of a straw man Putin. It's almost like watching the USSR crumble.

There is an amusing side here, whether Trump pumped intel to Moscow as an agent or dropped bits intentionally or accidentally to amuse the Russians, at the same time with or without the Orange Shitgibbon's knowledge, the CIA and other intelligence services have totally apple-cored Russian intelligence. The Ukraine and NATO are still getting up to the minute intelligence.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 06:55 am
@izzythepush,
There are some facts that are gobsmacking- that Russia only had 180,000 ground troops and committed 60% of them the first week.

The Army officially recruiting untrained recruits from "employment' agencies.
That there was thought somehow Wagner could provide enough manpower to allow troop rotations.

They haven't learned in 1000 years that treating "grunts" like disposable serfs does not work the best.

What happened to the Russian Army non-com corps? It's killed somewhere between 8 and 10 Russian Generals who got too close to the pudding.

Great article! Guardian?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 07:18 am
@bobsal u1553115,
It is.

There wasadiscussion about this on Radio 4 yesterday. The panel were all quite well informed.

When asked about the threat of nukes, the concensus was that when Putin withdrew from Kyiv, he was showing some restraint, that if he was going to do an all or nothing scorched earth assault on Ukraine with nukes it would have been then.

Having said that they said the most dangerous time would be straight after the war, thst it would be similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union with lots of conflicting parties and a **** ton of nukes flying around.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 07:28 am
@izzythepush,
I think the risk of nucs will come when Russia declares the operation over. I see the following scenario:

- Russia holds a faux referendum on the Donbas region and the region of Ukraine connecting the Donbas to Crimea and annexes the region into Russia.
- They declare the war over.
- Ukraine refuses to recognize the annexed region and continues the war, conducting attacks to retake the occupied areas.
- Russia declares that Ukraine is attacking on "Russian soil" and uses tactical nucs claiming that they are using the weapons in self defense and on Russian soil.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:18 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
They declare the war over.
For Russia, it isn't a war. They didn't declare one but call it "special military operation".

Besides this minor note, I agree with your scenario.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:28 am
@engineer,
That's worst case. We'd have to get to the point of Russia's clock is running out and they declare victory. With the accurate up to date intelligence that Ukraine is getting, they have not over played their hand, yet.

What happens after the tactical nukes, Ukraine will not take it laying down and the world is not going to sit ignoring the first use of tactical nukes outside of tests ever. If Russia decides to reinvade- where do they gather troops from? They've seriously degraded their power by the push of 180,000 ground troops into the initial meat grinder. That represented 80% of the Russian Army ground troops, some units wiped out. Their equipment and weapons were sub par and they abandoned them as they ran out of petrol.

I think the longer this goes the less likely we'll see nukes. And more quickly comes Putin's downfall.

Nukes might be an initiative but what would be the goal, and how do they man up a an occupying army than can withstand a much better equipped, motivated troops, and having been trained by the US since 2014.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:30 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't think nucs are likely. I was brainstorming on how it might happen. I agree with you that nucs would signal the beginning of the end for Putin as the significant support Russia has in several parts of the world would evaporate.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:40 am
@engineer,
No matter what desperate act Putin is capable of - and I wouldn't put anything past him - it will always come down to this.
- how the military deals with it
and
- whether this is possible at all with conscripts.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:48 am
This story caught my eye.

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Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV

Russia's mainstream media outlets offer a view of the Ukraine war that is unlike anything seen from outside of the country. For a start, they don't even call it a war. But our Russia editor reflects on a rare exchange broadcast on state TV.

It was an extraordinary piece of television.

The programme was 60 Minutes, the flagship twice-daily talk show on Russian state TV: studio discussion that promotes the Kremlin line on absolutely everything, including on President Putin's so-called "special military operation" in Ukraine.

The Kremlin still maintains that the Russian offensive is going according to plan.

But on Monday night, studio guest Mikhail Khodarenok, a military analyst and retired colonel, painted a very different picture.

He warned that "the situation [for Russia] will clearly get worse" as Ukraine receives additional military assistance from the West and that "the Ukrainian army can arm a million people".

Referring to Ukrainian soldiers, he noted: "The desire to defend their motherland very much exists. Ultimate victory on the battlefield is determined by the high morale of troops who are spilling blood for the ideas they are ready to fight for.

"The biggest problem with [Russia's] military and political situation," he continued, "is that we are in total political isolation and the whole world is against us, even if we don't want to admit it. We need to resolve this situation.

"The situation cannot be considered normal when against us, there is a coalition of 42 countries and when our resources, military-political and military-technical, are limited."

The other guests in the studio were silent. Even the host, Olga Skabeyeva, normally fierce and vocal in her defence of the Kremlin, appeared oddly subdued.

In many ways, it's a case of "I told you so" from Mr Khodarenok. Writing in Russia's Independent Military Review back in February, before Moscow attacked Ukraine, the defence analyst had criticised "enthusiastic hawks and hasty cuckoos" for claiming that Russia would easily win a war against Ukraine.

His conclusion back then: "An armed conflict with Ukraine is not in Russia's national interests."

Criticism in print is one thing. But on TV - to an audience of millions - that is another level completely. The Kremlin has gone out of its way to control the informational landscape here: shutting down independent Russian news sources and ensuring that television - the principal tool in Russia for shaping public opinion - is on message.

It is rare to hear such realistic analysis of events on Russian TV.

Rare. But not unique. In recent weeks, critical views have appeared on television here. In March, on another popular TV talk show, a Russian filmmaker told the presenter: "The war in Ukraine paints a frightening picture, it has a very oppressive influence on our society."

So what happened on 60 Minutes? Was this a spontaneous, unprompted and unexpected wake-up call on Ukraine that slipped through the net?

Or was it a pre-planned burst of reality in order to prepare the Russian public for negative news on the progress of the "special military operation"?

It's difficult to say. But as they say on the telly, stay tuned to Russian TV for further signals.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2022 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
Just saw that as a blurb, thanks for posting the story. This is important. Not everyone is afraid of Putin or the official line.

At the same time it might not have been surprising if he fell through a window mysteriously on his way home.
 

 
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