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Putin's War Part 2.

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2022 01:58 am
The Russian flagship Moskva is severely damaged. Ukraine says it was hit by missiles but the Russians prefer to say it was their ownincompetence.

In either event this is a huge morale boost, the Moskva was famously told to go **** itself at the beginning of the conflict.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2022 04:37 am
Former Russian President and current Deputy Secretary of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev says: The two countries Finland and Sweden are now "officially opponents of Russia" because of a possible application for NATO membership. "There can be no more talks about a nuclear-free Baltic".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2022 09:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Russia says it has begun the procedure to formally leave the Council of Europe - - and thus denounces the European Convention on Human Rights.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2022 04:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
The Moskva, the ship that Ukraine military told to **** itself, has sunk.

When the Capt goes home to explain himself, tell him not to drink the ea-tay.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/14/world/ukraine-russia-war-news

Live Updates: Russian Warship Ukraine Claimed to Have Hit Has Sunk, Moscow Says

Ukraine says it hit the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet with a missile strike. Russia says the ship was damaged by a fire and sank while being towed to port. E.U. leaders considered an oil ban despite its potential to increase energy prices around the bloc.
ImageWith Russian forces redeployed, a Ukrainian resident rode a bicycle through the ruined village of Andriivka, west of Kyiv, on Thursday.
With Russian forces redeployed, a Ukrainian resident rode a bicycle through the ruined village of Andriivka, west of Kyiv, on Thursday. Credit...David Guttenfelder for The New York Times

Matina Stevis-Gridneff and Richard Pérez-Peña
Russia Hits Setbacks, as Flagship Sinks and E.U. Mulls Oil Ban
The missile cruiser Moskva, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, photographed in the port of Sevastopol in 2011.
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The missile cruiser Moskva, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, photographed in the port of Sevastopol in 2011.
The missile cruiser Moskva, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, photographed in the port of Sevastopol in 2011.Credit...Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

BRUSSELS — Russia’s faltering war against Ukraine suffered a pair of setbacks Thursday when the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet sank after a catastrophic explosion and fire, as the European Union moved closer to an embargo on Russian oil imports.

Ukraine claimed to have struck the vessel, the guided missile cruiser Moskva, with two of its own Neptune missiles, while Russia said the blast was caused by ammunition aboard the ship. If confirmed, the missile attack would be a serious blow to Russia, both militarily and symbolically — proof that its ships can no longer operate with impunity, and another damaging blow to morale.

It would also give a lift to Ukrainian hopes, while demonstrating the defenders’ homegrown technological capacity and exposing an embarrassing weakness in the Russian navy’s antimissile defenses.

Moscow also faces the possible loss of European markets in fossil fuels, which are providing billions of dollars a month to support its war effort. The European Union has long resisted calls to reduce its energy dependency on Russia, but officials revealed on Thursday that an oil embargo is in the works and is likely to be adopted in the coming weeks.

That comes on top of a previously announced ban on imports of Russian coal. Taken together, the steps are bound to raise fuel and electricity prices in Europe, potentially disrupting the economy and provoking a political backlash.

Ukraine continues to brace for a Russian offensive in the eastern Donbas region — where Moscow has said it will focus its war efforts after its failure to capture the capital, Kyiv — while Russian forces squeeze the shrinking pocket of resistance in the ruined southern port of Mariupol. The devastation rained there has offered a dire warning of what may befall other cities in the event of a prolonged Russian siege, prompting a mass exodus of civilians from the Donbas.
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A destroyed residential building in Mariupol on Thursday.
A destroyed residential building in Mariupol on Thursday.Credit...Pavel Klimov/Reuters

Its international isolation deepening, the Kremlin reacted ominously to the growing indications that Finland and Sweden would join the NATO alliance in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. On Thursday, the government warned that any such expansion of NATO would prompt an increased Russian military presence, including nuclear weapons, in the region.

The C.I.A. director, William J. Burns, warned on Thursday of the possibility that Mr. Putin, facing a debacle in Ukraine, might use a tactical or low-yield nuclear weapon, though he stressed that he had seen no “practical evidence” that such a step was pending. It was the first time he discussed publicly a concern that has been much debated in the White House.

“Given the potential desperation of President Putin and the Russian leadership, given the setbacks that they’ve faced so far, militarily, none of us can take lightly the threat posed by a potential resort to tactical nuclear weapons or low-yield nuclear weapons,” Mr. Burns said, in answering questions after a speech in Atlanta.

Prominent voices in Russian state media have made increasingly incendiary statements recently, calling for more brutality in battles that have already sparked calls for war-crimes investigations of the Russian forces.

Much remained unclear about Russia’s setback in the western Black Sea, where a blast on Thursday morning — Wednesday night in the United States — and subsequent fire forced many of the Moskva’s roughly 500 crew members to abandon ship. There was no word on casualties. Ukraine said it had struck the vessel with two Neptune missiles and sunk it.

Russia’s Defense Ministry initially said its sailors had managed to put out the fire and the Moskva, commissioned in 1983, remained afloat. But hours later, it said, the ship sank while being towed to port in a storm.

Western defense officials said they could not be sure what caused the explosion aboard the 12,000-ton ship. Three American officials briefed on the incident said all indications were that it had been hit by missiles. The officials cautioned that early battlefield reports can sometimes change, but expressed deep skepticism over the Russian account of an accidental fire.

Ukraine has been stressing the need for coastal defense weapons, and the U.S. announced this week that it would send more of them. Pentagon officials said that other Russian ships had moved farther from the Ukrainian shoreline, lending credence to the claim of missile strikes.

“It’s going to have an impact on their naval capabilities, certainly in the near term,” but the long-term picture is unclear, said the Pentagon spokesman, John F. Kirby, a former Navy rear admiral.

Until now, Russian ships have been able to fire missiles at will against coastal cities. They have blockaded Ukraine’s south coast and threatened an amphibious landing in the southwestern region. The presence of an effective Ukrainian anti-ship weapon — Ukraine says the Neptune has a range of about 190 miles — could change those calculations, though Ukraine’s commercial shipping is unlikely to resume anytime soon.

Current and former American naval commanders said a successful missile attack would represent a shocking lack of Russian combat readiness.

“This is not supposed to happen to a modern warship,” said Adm. James G. Foggo III, a former commander of the United States Sixth Fleet, whose area of operations includes Europe. “If this was a Neptune missile strike, it’s indicative of complacency and lack of an effective integrated air and missile defense capability.”

Ukraine has endured most of the suffering in the war that began on Feb. 24, with untold thousands of casualties, widespread destruction and millions of people displaced, but the blowback on Russia has also been severe. Moscow’s vaunted military has often seemed hapless, absorbing unexpectedly heavy losses of men and equipment, while unprecedented sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies have shaken the Russian economy.

President Vladimir V. Putin acknowledged some of that cost on Thursday in a videoconference with top government officials and oil and gas executives, referring to “the disruption of export logistics” in that industry and “setbacks in payments for Russian energy exports.”
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In his nightly address, President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine made only a passing reference to the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet that Ukraine says it hit with a missile strike, and that Russia says was damaged by a fire and sank while being towed to port. In listing those who have defended Ukraine since Russia invaded, Zelensky acknowledged “those who have shown that Russian ships can go to the bottom only.”


Class, real class.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 11:12 am
Strange propaganda coming out of the Kremlin, which is still saying that the reason the Moskva sunk was because a fire got out of control, but still fired missiles at a factory just outside Kyiv in retaliation gor the sinking.
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 11:15 am
@izzythepush,
Everything about them is strange. Wouldn't it be ironic if Putin did hit the nuclear button and all this time we could've eliminated the No Fly Zone and helped Ukraine in a more meaningful way?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:05 pm
@izzythepush,
One thing is clear: the loss of the cruiser is not only a military disaster for the Russian leadership, but also a communications disaster
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:18 pm
@Mame,
Creating a "no fly zone"requires enforcement. If NATO would do that - it's a declaration of war. Is Canada ready to risk a nuclear war over a fight it seems the Ukraine is fated to at least to fight the worlds second most powerful military to a stand off? Ukraine has done a fine job of keeping Russia's from mastering the sky. With lots of help.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Yeah, well ... Russians.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:26 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Ironic if it turned into WWIII anyway because of one crazed, delusional, disappointed, humiliated, embarrassed whacko.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:28 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
The term "no fly zone" actually is simply the less harsh way of sending officially a declaration of war.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 12:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I think that's what I said, Walt.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 03:37 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Walter really, really LIKES to explain things.
I know, because he’s explaining things all the time.
Aren’t we lucky to have someone to explain things to us?
roger
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 03:48 pm
@snood,
Well, yes. I appreciate reliable information, even when it's on a topic I'm not particularly interested in.
Yalow
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 04:00 pm
https://www.cbc.ca/search?q=finland&section=news&sortOrder=relevance&media=all
snood
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 04:11 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Well, yes. I appreciate reliable information, even when it's on a topic I'm not particularly interested in.


You demur when you’re directly addressed, but chime in when no one’s asked you anything. Odd.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 07:36 pm
@Yalow,
The Aurora was great, thanks!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 07:41 pm
@snood,
Yeah, we are. And to have your insight and intellectual honesty as a perk to being here is also a great gift I appreciate.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 07:54 pm
Ukrainian Troops Blitz Russian Artillery
Source: Newsweek

Ukrainian troops have reportedly sent Russian artillery troops scrambling after blitzing an enemy gun position.

Video footage of the assault shows a series of shattering blasts, understood to be the guns and ammunition exploding.

The position eventually goes up in an enormous fireball, sending what appear to be ignited shells into the air at random.

snip...

The brigade also joked that they are sending the second-best army in the world to the bottom of the rankings.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-troops-blitz-russian-artillery-1698267

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 08:27 pm
The sinking of Moskva occurred shortly after Ukraine’s national postal service released one million stamps depicting a Ukrainian fighter holding up a middle finger in front of the vessel, with the sinking boosting sales of the stamp in Ukraine.[84]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Stamp_of_Ukraine_s1985.jpg

Ukrainian postage stamp, depicting a Ukrainian soldier giving Russian cruiser Moskva the middle finger, issued two days before she sank.[77
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