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Putin's War Part 2.

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 08:57 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Kind of you to say. Backatcha.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 09:20 pm
@snood,
Life is good! We live in interesting times. Not quickly enough, but things have gotten better.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2022 10:30 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Life is good! We live in interesting times. Not quickly enough, but things have gotten better.


Have you heard of the Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times.”?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2022 05:45 am
@snood,
We've been blessed with interesting times.

The cursed ones are running down.

Ukraine fighting the bear down to a nub is something we'd never ever think we'd see.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2022 06:20 am
Russian Soldier Tells Wife Putin’s Troops Bombed Their Own People, Ukrainian Intel Says

‘THAT WAS OURS’
Allison Quinn

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldier-says-putins-troops-bombed-their-own-people-in-bryansk-to-blame-ukraine-ukrainian-intel-says?ref=home

News Editor
Updated Apr. 15, 2022 8:02PM ET /
Published Apr. 15, 2022 7:34PM ET
ALEXANDER ERMOCHENKO

A Russian soldier in an occupied part of Ukraine’s Donetsk region was caught telling his wife back home that Putin’s own troops were the ones who bombed a Russian town on the border this week, according to Ukrainian intelligence. In an audio clip of an intercepted call released Friday by Ukraine’s Security Service, a woman can be heard expressing concern about the attack on the town of Klimovo that Moscow blamed on Ukrainian forces, which reportedly left seven people wounded. “That was ours ******* stuff up,” the purported soldier quickly responds. “It’s necessary. They do that to provoke the [Ukrainians]. And that’s why they hit it,” he said. “We talked to the bosses and they said that’s how it is. The same **** was happening in the Chechen War, they blew up apartments in Moscow, as if it were terrorists. It was really the FSB,” he said, referring to the series of bombings in September 1999 that helped bring Vladimir Putin to power. Prominent Kremlin critics and defectors like Alexander Litvinenko have long accused Russia’s security services of orchestrating the bombings themselves to drum up support for the Chechen War and Putin. The unnamed soldier in the intercepted call goes on to say there was “no way” the Ukrainians could have reached the town of Klimovo, in the Bryansk region, from where they were, and tells his wife he plans to “refuse” to go further with the war in Ukraine.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2022 08:45 am
https://i.imgur.com/lNqK04W.png

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2022 08:48 am
Mother of killed Russian sailor says officials are leaving them in the dark about the cruiser sinking

Abbie Shull
Mon, April 18, 2022, 1:26 PM·3 min read

https://news.yahoo.com/mother-killed-russian-sailor-says-202604757.html

Families of Russian sailors who served aboard the Moskva say they're being left in the dark about what happened.

Parents of conscripted sailors say their sons were never "supposed to take part in hostilities."

The Moskva sank last week after being hit by at least one Ukrainian missile, according to a senior U.S. defense official.

Families of Russian sailors who were onboard the Black Sea fleet flagship, Moskva, say the Russian Ministry of Defense won't say what happened to the estimated 500 crew members after the warship was hit by a Ukrainian missile and sunk last week.

Russian authorities claim a fire caused am munitions onboard to explode, but Ukrainian officials said the ship was hit by Neptune anti-ship missiles. On Friday, A senior U.S. defense official said the ship had been hit by at least one Neptune missile and there were likely casualties, although Russian authorities said the crew was evacuated.

Russian authorities have not disclosed the number of dead, wounded or missing sailors, but at least four families have publically said they have not been able to reach their sons who served aboard the Moskva.

The family of 19-year-old Andrei Tsyvova told The Guardian their son was a conscript.

"They didn't tell me anything else, no information on when the funeral would be," Yulia Tsyvova, Andrei's mother, told The Guardian. "I am sure he isn't the only one who died."

In early March, Russia was forced to admit it sent conscripted soldiers to fight in the war against Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed they were not involved in the attack.

"Unfortunately, some facts have come to light about the presence of conscript servicemen among the Russian armed forces conducting the special military operation on Ukrainian territory," said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

"Practically all of the conscripts have been returned to the territory of the Russian Federation," Konashenkov said on March 9."Effective immediately, exhaustive measures have been taken to prevent conscripts from entering any and all combat zones, and to free captured personnel."

On social media, another parent of a conscripted sailor wrote that he'd been told his son is on the list of "missing" sailors.

"A conscript who was not supposed to take part in hostilities is listed as missing," Dmitry Shkrebets wrote. "Guys went missing on the high seas?!!!"

Shkrebets' wife, Irina, told the Russian newspaper The Insider she searched for their son in a military hospital in Crimea where she saw around 200 injured sailors.

"We looked at every burnt kid," Shkrebets told the Insider. "I can't tell you how hard it was, but I couldn't find mine. There were only 200 people, and there were more than 500 onboard the cruiser. Where were the others?"

Other families spoke under the condition of anonymity for fear they or their sons would be targeted. The mother of one conscripted sailor told the Novaya Gazeta Europe that about 40 people had died during the incident and many were wounded and missing.

"When my son called me on the fifteenth, he was crying. He says: "Mommy, I never thought that in a peaceful time, in principle, I would fall into such a mess. I won't even tell you in detail what I saw. It's so scary," the mother told Novaya Gazeta Europe.

Photos and videos show the Moskva burning before it sank into the Black Sea on April 14 and the Pentagon says videos showed some Russian sailors leaving the damaged ship in lifeboats, according to a report from the Washington Post.

—Alec Luhn (@ASLuhn) April 18, 2022

Read the original article on Business Insider
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2022 12:43 am
Quote:
Sanctioned Russian tycoon condemns 'insane' war

A Russian tycoon has blasted Moscow's "massacre" in Ukraine and called on the West to end the "insane war", in a profanity-laced Instagram post.

"I don't see a SINGLE beneficiary of this insane war! Innocent people and soldiers are dying," wrote Oleg Tinkov, 54, in Russian.

According to him, "90%" of his fellow Russians are also against this war. The remaining 10% "are morons" he said.

Tinkov, one of Russia's most well-known entrepreneurs, founded Tinkoff Bank in 2006.

On Instagram he added: "Waking up with a hangover, the generals realised that they have a **** army.

"And how will the army be good, if everything else in the country is **** and mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility?"

Before Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, Tinkov's wealth had been estimated at more than $4.4bn (£3.4bn).

But he has since lost his billionaire status as shares in his bank have plummeted, Forbes reported last month.

In a statement, Tinkoff Bank said it would not comment on the "private opinion" of its founder, saying he no longer makes decisions for the brand.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61157670
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2022 04:58 am
Experts predict lasting environmental damage from Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Russia's invasion has impacted Ukraine's environment, experts said.

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As Russia's invasion of Ukraine continues, environmental experts and activists are warning of a ripple effect of problems, including long-lasting damage to the war-ravaged country's urban, agricultural and industrial areas.

Nearly two months into its invasion, Russia has begun its long-feared offensive in eastern Ukraine along the 300-mile front near Donbas, a region with a 200-year history of coal mining and heavy industry.

The past seven weeks have been mired by death, displacement and the demolition of a country's landscape that will take years to repair, experts told ABC News. In addition to the direct impact on Ukrainians, consequences of the war will be felt socially, economically and environmentally.

"Russia's invasion of Ukraine raises a host of unique and potentially profound environmental concerns for not only the people of Ukraine, but the wider region, including much of Europe," Carroll Muffett, president and CEO of the Center for International Environmental Law, told ABC News. "Those human impacts of the war take on a lot of forms and a lot of dimensions, and many of them last long after long after the hostilities have ceased."

While there were catastrophic environmental consequences during World War I and II, conflicts during recent history provide a more detailed blueprint for the sheer amount of greenhouse gases emitted during modern wars.

As a result of the global War on Terror that began in 2001, 1.2 million metric tons of greenhouse gases were released, the equivalent to the annual emissions of 257 million passenger cars -- more than twice the current number of cars on the road in the U.S., according to a 2019 report released by Brown University's Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs.

In addition to the hundreds of thousands of tons of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons and sulfur dioxide emitted from military vehicles, and other heavy machinery, heavy deforestation occurred in Afghanistan as a result of illegal logging, especially by warlords, which then destroyed wildlife habitat, according to the report.

"We now understand the environmental dimensions of war in ways that we didn't decades ago," Muffett said. "This is a particularly egregious situation, because the entire world is calling for Russia to end its its invasion right now."

Once the conflict is over, the environment in Ukraine is going to be the local government's "No. 1 priority," Doug Weir, research and policy director of The Conflict and Environment Observatory, told ABC News.

These are the areas of most environmental concern, according to experts:

Industrial regions

Ukraine is a heavily industrialized country, especially in its eastern regions. It contains a large number of mines and refineries of chemical plants that produce substances such as ammonia and urea, Muffett said.

Assessing the damage from attacks on industrial sites and new nuclear facilities will be among the Ukrainian government's priorities, Weir said.

In addition, there are "serious concerns" about the forced closure of several coal mines, which are now flooding with acid mine drainage without the proper methods to pump out the water, Weir said. Those toxins are then seeping into the groundwater aquifers

"We've already seen hints at how those could play out," she said, adding that multiple refineries in Ukraine have already been hit. "One of the things that the lessons of the the invasion of Kuwait and the Iraq war is teach us is that strikes against facilities of these kinds pose profound risks for massive releases and really long-term damage."

Agricultural fields

Researchers are estimating that millions of people could suffer from malnutrition in the years following the invasion as a result of lack of arable land.

Initial assessments show large swaths of agriculture areas affected by heavy shelling an unexploded ordinances, Weir said.

Olha Boiko, a Ukrainian climate activist and coordinator for the Climate Action Network for Eastern Europe and East Asia, said she and her fellow activists still in Ukraine are worried about the state of the agricultural fields and their suitability to grow wheat after the war, which is one of the country's largest exports, she said.

Wildlife and natural ecosystems

The plethora of military vehicles trampling over the Ukrainian border are creating an unforgiving landscape, experts said.

In an effort to defend their country, Ukrainian military laid landmines over at least one beach near Odesa, according to the Conflict and Environment Observatory.

Boiko also alleged that Russian forces have blown up oil exporting equipment, polluted the Black Sea and filled fields with landmines, which were found as Russian forces retreated the regions surrounding Kyiv.
MORE: Images show destruction left in Ukraine town of Borodyanka after Russian occupation

Fighting close to Kherson, near the southern coast of Ukraine, resulted in fires in the Black Sea Biosphere Reserve that were so large they were detectable from space and likely destroyed trees and unique habitats for birds, according to the observatory.

"There have been risks to wildlife and biodiversity we've seen that play out in Ukraine, with active battles in in insignificant wetlands," Muffett said.

Urban areas

One of Russia's military strategies has been to besieging cities by firing weapons indiscriminately into them, Weir said.

When Russian troops retreated the areas on the outskirts Kyiv after failing to take the capital, the devastation left in cities such as Bucha, Borodyanka and Irpin was immediately apparent.

Buildings were burned or completely destroyed. Burned-out cars littered the roadways. Entire neighborhoods were reduced to rubble.

The rebuilding phase is going to be a "huge task," Weir said.

"From an environmental point of view, there's going to be a huge amount of work needed to properly assess these sites, locate potentially hazardous sites," Weir said, adding that environmental remediation process for the potentially hazardous sites can be complex and expensive.

Nuclear facilities

Soon after the conflict began, Russian troops took hold of the exclusion zone surrounding the Chernobyl power plant, raising concerns that an errant explosive could create another radioactive event at the site of the world's worst nuclear accident in 1986.

The destroyed reactor was sealed in 2019 under a $2 billion stadium-sized metal structure, but the other three untouched reactors remain fully exposed. Within them sits a pool of 5 million pounds of spent nuclear fuel, as well as dangerous isotopes, such as uranium and plutonium. If hit, the storage facility has the potential to cause an even larger disaster than in 1986 and could prompt widespread evacuations all over Europe, Muffett said.

"The conduct of active military operations in a country with four nuclear facilities and 15 active nuclear reactors poses extraordinary risks," Muffett said, admonishing Russia for immediately targeting Chernobyl despite "no legitimate military objectives associated with that site."

Russian troops have cut off power to Chernobyl in ways the site was not "sustained for," and untrained Russian servicemen disturbed radioactive soil and raised dust as they moved through the area, Muffett said.

"We've seen missile strikes actually put a nuclear facility on fire," she said. "And, in the immediate hours after the fire began, firefighters were unable to reach the blaze, because they were in a live fire situation. These are these are really extraordinary risks."

The role Russian oil plays in the conflict

The conflict in Ukraine is the latest demonstration of the "deep linkages between fossil fuels and conflict," Muffett said. Boiko, who left Kyiv on Feb. 24, said the connection that fossil fuels play in the current war are “obvious,” because Russia is using the funds from its oil industry to fund the conflict.

"We've seen Putin's regime look to weaponize its own natural gas and oil resources as a way to intimidate countries in Europe and beyond from coming to Ukraine to aid," Muffett said. "And so, this is a fossil fueled conflict in every conceivable way."

The environmental activists who remain in Ukraine, those who aren’t helping with the immediate humanitarian relief, are bringing attention to the fact that the E.U. and U.S. have been “very dependent” on Russia’s fossil fuels for years, Boiko said.

While the U.S. has imposed sanctions on all Russian oil and other energy sources, the European Union's embargo only extends to coal, and not to oil and gas. About 40% of the EU's gas comes from Russia, according to the observatory.

"This is exactly the leverage that has been used by Russia that is pressuring, basically, other countries to not impose sanctions to not do anything about this war to not help Ukraine," Boiko said.

But Boiko said the conflict and the aftermath could eventually lead to positive steps in the fight against climate change, because the sanctions imposed on Russia lead to less less fossil fuel consumption. She said the phasing out of fossil fuels could happen more quickly, now that a major world player in oil exports has essentially been eliminated.

"The fact that this conflict is accelerating conversations within Europe about how they free themselves from reliance on fossil oil and fossil gas is also a big step forward," Muffett said.

abcnews
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2022 05:17 am
A United Nations mission to the Kyiv suburb of Bucha has documented that 50 civilians had been killed there, including by summary execution, Reuters quoted the United Nations. "During a mission to Bucha on the ninth of April, UN human rights officers documented the unlawful killing including by summary execution of some 50 civilians there," said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

The acts of the Russian army since the start of the war on 24 February "could prove to be war crimes", the UN spokeswoman continued. "Russian troops have indiscriminately bombed and sustained fire on residential areas, killed civilians and destroyed hospitals, schools and other civilian facilities, all acts that could prove to be war crimes," she said.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2022 06:43 am
Possible mass graves near Mariupol shown in satellite images
Source: AP

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FILE - This satellite image provided by Maxar Technologies on Thursday, April 21, 2022 shows an overview of the cemetery in Manhush, some 20 kilometers west of Mariupol, Ukraine, on April 3, 2022. The graves are aligned in four sections of linear rows (measuring approximately 85 meters per section) and contain more than 200 graves. (Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies via AP)


By YESICA FISCH

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine (AP) — New satellite images show apparent mass graves near Mariupol, where local officials accused Russia of burying up to 9,000 Ukrainian civilians to conceal the slaughter taking place in the ruined port city that’s almost entirely under Russian control.

The images emerged just hours after Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday claimed victory in the battle for Mariupol, despite the presence of an estimated 2,000 Ukrainian fighters who were still holed up at a giant steel mill. Putin ordered his troops to seal off the stronghold “so that not even a fly comes through” instead of storming it.

Putin’s decision to blockade the Azovstal steel plant likely indicates a desire to contain Ukrainian resistance in Mariupol and free up Russian forces to be deployed elsewhere in eastern Ukraine, Britain’s Defense Ministry said in an assessment Friday.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-europe-world-news-c1062700198448759e428e51ff0d289f


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Russian commander Rustam Minnekayev speaks of aim for land corridor to Crimea, despite Putin’s earlier claims.

Russian military chief suggests permanent occupation of southern Ukraine planned
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A senior Russian military commander has said that the goal of Russia’s new offensive is to seize control of southern Ukraine and form a land bridge to Crimea, indicating that Russia plans a permanent occupation of Ukrainian territory taken in the war.

Rustam Minnekayev, acting commander of the central military district, also told members of a defence industry forum on Friday that control over southern Ukraine would give Russia access to Transnistria, a pro-Russian breakaway region of Moldova, indicating that Russia may attack the port city of Odesa and consider military action in Moldova.

The remarks directly contradict earlier claims from Vladimir Putin that Russia was not planning to occupy Ukrainian cities permanently and suggests the Kremlin is changing tack after its failed offensive toward Kyiv, which appeared to seek regime change.

The statement was the first by a high-ranking official about the Russian military’s goals to occupy territory as it manoeuvres for an anticipated “battle for Donbas” in Ukraine’s east.
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2022 07:07 am
Ukraine Army downs three enemy planes and three helicopters
Source: UKRINFORM

“The 21st of April was a fruitful day for the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense units, as they destroyed 15 enemy air targets, including nine Orlan-10 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The anti-aircraft missile units of the Land Forces shot down six Orlan-10 UAVs. Two Orlan-10 UAVs were hit by the Air Assault Forces with man-portable air-defense systems, and one more was downed by the anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force,” the report states.

Meanwhile, in the Izium direction, the anti-aircraft missile units of the East Air Command destroyed two Russian planes. According to the preliminary data, they were Su-34 and Su-35.

The Air Assault Forces also shot down Russia’s Su-25 aircraft and Mi-8 helicopter. One more Mi-8 helicopter was destroyed by the Ukrainian marines.

In addition, the National Guard of Ukraine reported on shooting down Russia’s Ka-52 ‘Alligator’ helicopter.

Read more: https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3464126-ukraine-army-downs-three-enemy-planes-and-three-helicopters.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2022 08:36 am

Opinion: Are Biden and Putin agreeing on limits to the war? Just read their statements.

By David Ignatius
Columnist |
Yesterday at 6:41 p.m. EDT

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/21/ignatius-biden-putin-ukraine-donbas/


Take a careful look at presidential statements from Russia and the United States this week, and you’ll see that the leaders of the two countries appear to be clarifying their goals in Ukraine — as the war shifts to a concentrated, bitter fight for control of the eastern part of the country.
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The latest statements by President Vladimir Putin and President Biden don’t preclude a dangerous escalation. But they do offer public descriptions of each side’s goals in ways that may reduce the risk of miscalculation — perhaps setting parameters for what Cold War strategists would have called an “agreed battle.”

Putin’s new message, implicit but unmistakable, is retrenchment. Having failed in his initial push to seize Kyiv and topple the government, he now speaks of controlling the Russian-speaking eastern part of the country, known as Donbas, and neighboring areas along the coast. Biden’s message, by contrast, has become more assertive: stepping up U.S. military aid to Ukraine and vowing to resist Putin’s hegemony over Kyiv, even as he quietly recognizes certain limits.

Putin focused in two statements this week on the priority of securing the Donbas region, which Russia views as independent of Kyiv. Protecting the separatists in Donbas from the central government was Putin’s pretext for invasion when he launched the war Feb. 24. But in the opening weeks of the war, he also appeared to be seeking the overthrow of President Volodymyr Zelensky, with his nonsensical talk of the “denazification” of Ukraine. With Russia’s failure to capture Kyiv, that broader goal seems to have receded.

Putin emphasized the Donbas mission on Wednesday, at a choreographed meeting with a group that included a 12-year-old girl from that region. “As I said at the very beginning, the purpose of this operation is exactly to help our people living in Donbas, people like you. We will act consistently and achieve a situation where life will gradually return to normal there,” he said.

Putin amplified this message in a meeting Thursday with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Putin claimed victory in the southern coastal city of Mariupol and praised the Russian troops there who have assaulted the city for weeks, asserting that they “sacrificed their lives so that our people in Donbas live in peace and to enable Russia, our country, to live in peace.”

But he ordered Shoigu not to storm Ukrainian fighters still entrenched beneath a steel complex outside Mariupol, telling his defense minister to instead “prioritize preserving the lives and health of our soldiers and officers.” That didn’t sound like a president ready to pay the butcher’s bill for a bloody campaign to capture all of Ukraine.

Biden offered a similarly pointed summary of American priorities in remarks Thursday at the White House. He announced another $800 million in military aid for Ukraine, matching a similar package just a week ago, and praised the “fearless and skilled Ukrainian fighters” resisting Russia’s invasion. He said that the United States could sustain its military support to Ukraine “for a long time.” But Biden avoided, as he has since the beginning of the war, any suggestion of direct U.S. military involvement.

Biden underlined NATO unity against Russia, another bedrock theme of U.S. policy. The alliance, he said, was “sending an unmistakable message to Putin: He will never succeed in dominating and occupying all of Ukraine. He will not — that will not happen.” Biden’s statement, though resolute in tone, left open the possibility that Putin might occupy some of Ukraine, in the southeastern region where Russian attacks are now concentrated.

The comments this week in Moscow and Washington illustrate the way in which war can sometimes clarify choices and reduce uncertainty. Finding such stability was the premise of the “agreed battle” formula discussed by some Cold War strategists. Herman Kahn of Rand Corp., famed as a “wizard of Armageddon," once postulated a specific “escalation ladder” for superpower conflict. The ladder had 44 rungs; nuclear weapons were to be used only at rung 15.

Putin’s renewed emphasis on Donbas, with its implicit message of limited war aims, could reduce some of the pressures for escalation. But paradoxically, if Putin’s forces fail in Donbas over the next few weeks, as they did in the battle for Kyiv, the situation could become more unpredictable and potentially dangerous. The odds of escalation might increase again.

As if to remind the West of his other options, Putin this week watched by video the test of a new Russian intercontinental ballistic missile. This nuclear-weapons delivery system “will be a wake-up call for those who are trying to threaten our country in the frenzy of rabid, aggressive rhetoric,” Putin warned. It was a staged event, more chest-thumping about Russian capabilities than specific threat. But it offered another glimpse of the dangers that lie beyond the current parameters of the Ukraine conflict.

Finally, an unlikely personal footnote: As I was drafting this column, Russia announced that I was among 29 Americans who are banned indefinitely from traveling to Russia. This sanctions list is an unusual group, including Vice President Harris and her husband, fellow journalists George Stephanopoulos of ABC and my Post Opinions colleague Robert Kagan, and tycoons such as Mark Zuckerberg of Meta.

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Opinion: Putin has one last cruelty in mind for a devastated Mariupol


By the Editorial Board
Today at 8:00 a.m. EDT

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/22/putin-has-one-last-cruelty-mind-devastated-mariupol/

Russian forces have reduced the strategic Ukrainian port of Mariupol almost to rubble, killing or injuring thousands of civilian residents. Of Mariupol’s original 400,000 inhabitants, perhaps 120,000 remain; most survivors managed to flee to other parts of Ukraine, but many also have been forcibly taken to Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin surveyed these horrors Thursday and pronounced himself pleased. “The work of the armed forces to liberate Mariupol has been a success,” he told Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in a televised meeting. “Congratulations.”
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In truth, the work of Russia’s armed forces is not quite done. A remnant of the city’s defenders, which Russia estimates at 2,000 or so fighters, is holed up in basements of a labyrinthine steel plant along the local coastline. Ukrainian officials say a “few thousand” people are ensconced in the fortresslike complex, but that the figure includes 500 wounded soldiers — and 1,000 noncombatant civilians. The latter category includes numerous children, according to video the fighters released (but which The Post has not independently verified). Acknowledging that it would be too risky to Russian troops to storm the place, even against an outnumbered and outgunned opponent, Mr. Putin ordered his forces not to continue assaulting the plant but instead to lay siege to it, so “that even a fly could not get through.”

In short, Mr. Putin’s concern for the lives of his own men does not extend to the lives of those in the factory who may well die of illness, starvation or thirst if his siege — as seems all too likely — succeeds. Apparently bent on taking physical control, dead or alive, of both fighters and civilians trapped inside the complex, Mr. Putin has demanded their surrender and resisted Ukrainian appeals for their evacuation to Ukrainian territory under the supervision of a third party. Until Thursday, it had been weeks since any evacuations to Ukraine from Mariupol had occurred; on that day, civilians — about 90 in number — managed to reach safety in Zaporizhzhia.

The United States, Europe and, indeed, all decent governments in the world should demand that Russia deal with this catastrophe humanely. That means negotiating something like the Ukrainians’ proposed guaranteed evacuation; if Russia will not allow such an operation to be supervised by a third country, as the Ukrainians have requested, then a neutral agency, possibly the International Committee of the Red Cross, could be tapped.

The defenders’ ammunition and food is running out, however, and nothing in Mr. Putin’s record, alas, suggests he would heed an appeal based on humanitarian concerns or international law. Satellite photos newly analyzed by The Post show that his record includes the construction of mass graves, possibly large enough to hold 3,000 bodies, in a Russian-occupied town just 12 miles from Mariupol. President Biden was therefore right to announce new shipments of heavy artillery and drones to Ukraine Thursday, to help repel the new Russian offensive in the eastern Donbas region. It may be too late to talk Mr. Putin into avoiding more unnecessary death in Mariupol; U.S.-supplied weapons will enable Ukraine to address him in a language he does understand.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2022 05:53 pm
What does one Russian general say to the other?

Nothing, they're both dead.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2022 06:10 pm
Howitzers that the UA forces just got, flattened a building w/ 50 Senior Russian officers including 3 generals 2 dead and 1 wounded.

The Chief Intelligence Directorate reports that two Russian generals have been killed in Kherson Region.

Source: Chief Intelligence Directorate

Details: The Intelligence Directorate says that on 22 April, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an attack on the forward command post of the 49th Combined Arms Army of the Russian occupying forces, which, contrary to combat regulations and common sense, was deployed a short distance from the line of battle in Kherson Region.

Quote: "The result of the attack was that the 49th Army’s forward command post was destroyed, two Russian generals were killed, and one was seriously wounded and was evacuated in a critical condition.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/23/7341610/
Yalow
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2022 06:14 pm
Day 59 of Russia's invasion of Ukraine: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/day-59-of-russia-s-invasion-of-ukraine-1.6428946
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2022 08:47 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Wow! That's pretty agressive.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2022 04:46 am
Fléchettes were used during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where samples of the projectiles were recovered in Bucha. A witness described munitions bursting overhead and littering the area with 3cm fléchettes. A British munitions expert reviewed photographs of the fléchettes and concluded that they likely came from a 122mm 3Sh1 Russian artillery round. A spokesperson for the Ukrainian Ground Forces stated that Ukraine's military does not use fléchettes.

The recovery of bodies from mass graves in Bucha revealed that dozens of civilians were killed by Russian artillery using fléchettes.
The Guardian
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