Ancient Footprints in the Sand

They came to prepare the way for Dunny Cop.

Perhaps it might be beneficial to your biblically ignorant atheist mate, izzythepush to read my previous post also, who knows, they say miracles do happen.

This post was addressed to Cobbler.

Not some bigoted Cobber who recycles racist jokes.

You poor insulting atheist troll, why get so upset and falsely accuse someone of recycling racist jokes?

When you said; "They came to prepare the way for Dunny Cop." Who is the "THEY" that you are referring too? And who introduced those that you refer to as "THEY" to this thread?

Have you ever considered reading the book of the earth that was first written 5 billion years ago?

That book needs no correction, there is no contradiction. Only natural wonder.

Out of 5 billion years of evolution we still need aliens to grant us consciousness, languages and invention?

There is nothing on this earth that the earth could not have done all on its own. There is ample time and every resource needed to explain every phenomenon that we have encountered here on Earth.

But instead of the apparent and obvious you need interject the idea that the earth could not possibly have made all that is, (in concert with the sun and moon).

Instead of the obvious you need to pull green men and a spaghetti monster God out of a hat and without any evidence you banter and argue about the validity of your claims.

Nazca Lines are easily explained through the plotting of stars which it is known the ancients were highly interested in doing.

What else did they have to do back then but pile rocks and track the movement the stars with geometry and incorporate that into their god rituals and pilgrimages?

It is as silly as denying that you were born of human parents. It must be the stork that brought you...

You're simply too marvelous to have been made naturally on this earth. lol

And the part about me reading the Bible, I didn't read the Bible, no, I studied it and was ordained in Christian ministry. I was one of those people who studied with concordances and traveled the country, memorized King James scriptures and knocked door to door spreading the "good news". I was a missionary.

But I got honest and stopped believing the delusion.

And, the book of Enoch is not included in 90% of the Bibles of the world.

I might add that this whole "male angels sleeping with women" sounds a bit sexist to me.

After all human, men are so pious and chaste. (cynical)

You are a jumble of incoherent error and fragments of superstition stitched together with lunacy.

While the plain truth is staring you right in the face.

And you wonder why I don't receive the same dogmatic indoctrination you have swallowed hook, line a sinker?

Your capacity to see natural beginnings is demented and warped by sleight-of-hand collection plate hookiepooks and biblical astrologers .

You are taking sparse and vagues words with translation impediments and magnifying them over a wealth of irrefutable science.

Because they used the word "up" that proves there were aliens.

And the "giants" could well be a people who were more technologically sophisticated that came from mountainous regions.

But you see instead, green men.

What I don't see is the alien technology.. and moving rocks does not cut the mustard.

An almighty God is required to pile rocks.

[Correction] An almighty God is "not" required to pile rocks.

This is one scientific theory as to the creation of our solar system some 9 billion years after the creation of those first generation massive stars that lit up the darkness of the expanding space.

Whether or not a better theory than that which we have today will develop, time will tell.

This theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula 'CLOUD' from the greater Galactic nebula 'CLOUD', began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the waters (CLOUD) above, from the waters (CLOUD) below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heavier elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars, that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole, which was the fate of the earlier generation star, around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar CLOUD, from the galactic CLOUD, or the waters above from the waters below.

Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The CLOUD complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form.

Near the centre of the condensing CLOUD, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

As the CLOUD continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would 'EVENTUALLY' become a star and with a strong stellar wind, would blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed.

By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

PROTO-HUMANS WERE NOT HUMANS AND THE PROTO-SUN, WAS NOT YET OUR SUN.

Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun.

Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the far outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

So, in answer to your original question; "YES! I have read the book of the earth that was first written 5 billion years ago?

To be continued.

Having already spoken of the 'FIRMAMENT', the great icy bubble in which God created our Solar System, and as this subject may come up again in this thread, I believe that those who are following this discussion should be given an Idea of the thickness of our protective bubble.

At its current speed of about a million miles a day, NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft won't enter the Oort Cloud for about 300 years. And it won’t exit the outer edge for maybe 30,000 years.

I'll leave it to the reader to calculate the thickness of our firmament in miles.

The waters above the firmament and the waters below the firmament.

This statement in itself shows there were people trying to figure stuff out rather than knowing anything by Godly or alien revelation.

You attribute modern science to people who were referring to the rain clouds.

The rain clouds are a far jump to the stars.

These people were so smart and enlightened by alien visitation because they figured out there are rain clouds?

As for the words "above the firmament". The word firmament means expanse.

The rain clouds are actually quite a bit under the expanse.

This seems to mark another point of massive confusion on the part of the biblical writers.

And, just in case you are wondering the clouds above the firmament "Milky Way" are not made of water. How could the ancients have known about the Milky Way? They could not have just looked up in the sky and seen it? They needed aliens to tell them about it? And why didn't the aliens tell them the clouds were made of rocks and dust instead of water?

nasa.com
Contained in the Milky Way are stars, clouds of dust and gas called nebulae, planets, and asteroids. Stars, dust, and gas fan out from the center of the Galaxy in long spiraling arms. The Milky Way is approximately 100,000 light-years in diameter. Oct 14, 2021

Comment: No water mentioned there.

Analogy: You are using ancient cave drawings to try and understand the Mona Lisa.

They are not water (above the firmament) like "rain clouds" or like a big ocean.

But God did not know about hydrogen, oxygen, methane, ethane, carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide back then... So God surmised it must be water.

You need to twist the Bible so hard to make it seem true I am surprised your head does not snap off.

And devil spirits cause sickness, so quote a few choice Bible passages, sprinkle some holy water blessed by a priest and hold a crucifix up and poof all disease is healed! A little mud can cure all blindness! Grandma can walk again! Hospitals are obsolete!

Now twist that into some sort of, well the devil spirits are modern medicine and who needs masks when God has healed you anyway? Right?

This is how silly you sound.

Before I met my late wife she dated a Jehovah's Witness.

It was amazing the blind faith they exhibited.

They believed the Tunguska Event of 1908 was when Lucifer was thrown out of Heaven, they believed that this somehow precipitated WW1 which also brought about the end of days.

Soldiers who fought in WW1 would still be alive when Jesus returns.

Well all the soldiers who fought in WW1 are dead and Jesus is nowhere to be seen.

Time to believe in some more old reinterpreted bollocks.

The JW's certainly have some weird beliefs, the following is an extract from the book that I am in the process of writing,

In a remote part of Russia, on June 30, 1908, there occurred a terrific air blast, now widely known as the Tunguska event. This event is believed to have been caused by an incoming asteroid (or comet), which never actually struck Earth but instead exploded in the atmosphere, causing what is known as an air burst, three to six miles (5–10 kilometers) above Earth’s surface.

That explosion released enough energy to kill reindeer and flatten trees for many kilometers around the blast site. But no crater was ever found.

An article from Carl Sagan’s book ‘COSMOS.’ “A comet is made mostly of ice-water (H2O) ice, with a little methane (CH4) ice, and some ammonia (NH3) ice. Striking the Earth's atmosphere, a modest cometary fragment would produce a great radiant fireball and a mighty blast wave, which would burn trees, level forests and be heard around the world. But it might not make much of a crater in the ground. The ices would all be melted during entry. There would be few recognizable pieces of the comet left perhaps only a smattering of small grains from the non-icy parts of the cometary nucleus. Recently, the Soviet scientist E. Sobotovich has identified a large number of tiny diamonds strewn over the Tunguska site. Such diamonds are already known to exist in meteorites that have survived impact, and that may originate ultimately from comets

It is recorded in the Christian scriptures that Jesus was nailed to the cross at 9AM, and three hours later at the stroke of mid-day, 12 PM, Darkness covered the city for three hours. This was not a normal eclipse of the sun, the longest of which lasts for only about 7 minutes.

This had to be an incoming heavenly object, which remained between the sun and Jerusalem, blanketing the city in its shadow for three hours. Then at 3 PM, immediately before the sun appeared once more, there was a terrific blast that rocked the mountains and the temple in Jerusalem, which was built by Herod the Great, breaking the lintel from which hung the great Curtain that was torn from top to bottom, behind which curtain was the innermost sanctuary of the temple, ‘The Holy of Holies,’ where, in the temple built by Solomon, the two Greater golden cherubs, beneath whose outstretched wings the covenant box with the two lesser cherubs on its lid once stood, before that temple was sacked and burned in 587/586 B.C.E. by Nebuchadnezzar’s troops

This was not an earth quake as most Christians are asked to believe, but an air blast, high above Jerusalem over the desert country on the eastern side of the Jordan, which was consistent with the Tunguska-like fireball over Russia, but unlike Siberia, that desert country does not have any forests, and like the air blast over Russia, did not create any crater as evidence of that event.

Apparently, air blasts such as those which occurred over Russia, on June 30, 1908, and over Jerusalem in the early part of the first century C.E., are not that uncommon throughout history, as Archaeologists have come up with a theory that in a region just north of the Dead Sea, the towns and population in that area, may have been obliterated by a Tunguska style airburst, some 3,700 years ago.

The theory is, that some 3,700 years ago, a meteor or comet exploded over the Middle East, annihilating all human life across a wide area of land north of the Dead Sea. Archaeologists who have found evidence of the cosmic airburst, say that this event was the cause of the destruction of Sodom and its surrounding cities, leaving the land unfit to be reoccupied for 500-600 years.

Tall el Hammam, is believed by archaeologists who have recently worked on that site to be the ancient City of the biblical Sodom, excavation of that site makes this absolutely clear that it was completely destroyed by a singular event. The archaeologist Steven Collins, in his book; “Discovering the city of Sodom” claims that Tall el-Hammam is the site of the ancient city of Sodom, whose destruction is part of an important Biblical episode related to the life of patriarch Abraham.

Was the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah a miraculous event, or an historical event that the three men who appeared to Abraham, knew was going to happen at that point in time? Is the miracle in that story to be found in the visitation of those men?

Who were those men, who accepted Abraham’s invitation to have their feet washed, and to sit in the shade of a tree and be fed with fresh bread baked by Sarah, and the meat of a fatted calf, killed especially for them, plus cream and milk supplied by Abraham? Can spiritual beings eat and drink, and from where did they come?

Simply another Jesus event among many that Josephus never thought remarkable enough to write about.



ditto



Or was it a story written by homophobes meant to scare little children into being straight?

I say the latter.

More ridiculous wrangling of scriptures to try and make sense of outright lies and dogmatic bolstering...

Biblical Problems with Identifying Tall el-Hammam as Sodom
https://answersresearchjournal.org/identifying-tall-el-hammam-sodom/

And I say that it was an historical event, where the only so-called miracle is found, is in the fact that three men arrived and told Abraham the exact time that the tunguska event was to happen.

You supplied a link purporting that there are Biblical Problems with Identifying Tall el-Hammam as Sodom, which you, a biblically ignorant atheist, apparently believe. So let’s have a look at your link, which states that both Collins and Olson attempt to solve this by 1) redating the biblical date for the exodus,11 2) arguing for a short Israelite sojourn in Egypt.

Which means that (1) and (2) are the same, if they argued for a shorter Israelite sojourn in Egypt, they were redating the biblical date for the exodus.

According to the Christian OT, which was a Latin translation of the Hebrew bible by Jerome in the 4th century C.E, which states in Exodus 12: 40-41; “The Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years. On the day the 430 years ended, all the tribes of the LORD's people left Egypt.”

Although, both the Samaritan bible, and the Septuagint, which is a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures by Jews in Alexandria, over two hundred years before Jesus, states in Exodus 12: 40-41; that Abraham and his descendants lived in the land of Canaan ‘AND’ Egypt for 430 years.

Abraham, who had entered Canaan at the age of 75, 25 years later when he was 100 sired Isaac, who was 60 when his son Jacob was born, and Jacob was 130 when he, with his entire family was reunited with his son Joseph in the land of Egypt. 25+60+130=215.

So, we see that there was a period of 215 years that Abraham and his descendants lived in the land of Canaan, before his descendants, the family of Israel, entered into Egypt, where they dwelt for 215 years before departing 430 years after Abraham entered the Land of Canaan.

Is there any way that we can biblically date the Exodus of the Israelites? There certainly is.

1 Kings 6: 1; States that it was 480 years after the exodus, that Solomon began to build the temple, which took seven years to complete. According to Josephus the Jewish historian, the temple stood for four hundred and seventy years six months and ten days before it was sacked and burned by Nebuchadnezzar’s forces in 587 B.C.

587 B.C., + the four hundred and seventy years six months and ten days, rounded off to four hundred and seventy and one years that the Temple stood + the seven years it took to build, after the 480 years since the Exodus and we have 587 B.C., + 471 years + 7 years + 480 years = 1545 B.C.

According to these dates, the Exodus occurred in the year 1545 B.C.

It was under Ahmose I, who reigned 1570-1546 BC, OR 1539–14 BCE, depending on which historical record you wish to believe, and who was the founder of the 18th Dynasty, drove out the foreign Shepherd King rulers.”

As you appear to believe the author of the link that you provided, then please reveal which date of the exodus, did both Collins and Olson shorten?

If Collins and Olson had accepted the Christian OT statement that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years, that would mean that Abraham entered the land of Canaan 215 years earlier, 430+215=645.

645 years before the exodus in 1545 B.C., which would mean that Abraham entered the land of Canaan in 2190 B.C., and knowing that the Tunguska like event occurred south of the Dead Sea about ten to twenty years after Abraham entered the land of Canaan, this would put the destruction in that area around 2160- 2170 B.C.

If they accepted the Greek Septuagint and the Samaritan bible, that the Israelites were only in the land of Egypt for 215 Years, and that was 215 years after Abraham entered the land of Canaan in 1975 B.C., 430 years before the exodus in 1545 B.C.

The Israelites had lived in Egypt for 215 years under the Hyksos kings, and for the first 135 years they lived as free citizens, intermarrying with the Egyptians and fighting as Mercenaries in the Hyksos army, in fact, according to the scriptures, it is said in Joshua 17: 1; that Machir was the firstborn son of Manasseh, the first born of Joseph, and that he was a military hero.

It was only after they had lived in Egypt for 135 Years, that a new Hyksos King came into power and demanded that all the new born sons of the Israelites were to be exposed in the River Nile. Aaron, the older brother of Moses was two years old at that time, and the new King then put the Israelites into forced Labour camps.

Machir, who was a military Hero during the reign of the Hyksos Shepherd Kings, was long dead by the time of the Exodus of the Israelites, which left the military forces of Apopis, the last of the Hyksos Kings weakened and vulnerable, and at the mercy of Pharaoh Ahmose I, who was able to do what his father was unable to do and finally expel the Hyksos Invaders.

Apopis, also spelled Apophis or Apopi, was the last of the Hyksos king of ancient Egypt, he was the King that was forced to let the Israelites to leave Egypt in 1545 B. C., and his reign ended 3 Years later in 1542 B.C.

It was 1545 B.C., when the 80 years old Moses, with the 600,000 Israelite men, their wives and children, departed the land of Egypt, it would have been some three years later in 1542 B.C., that Ahmose I, was finally able to defeat the depleted forces of the Hyksos king, ‘Apopis,’ and send them packing.

For the destruction of Tall el-Hammam=Sodom to be even close to the biblical account, it would have to had been destroyed around 1960 B.C.

Continued from my previous post.

In your link it is said that Colins urged extreme caution when using the Masoretic Text (MT) as an authority for determining OT numbers . . . To take the MT “at face value” is not the best approach. The fact that Dead Sea Scroll readings generally match the LXX when it differs from the MT is instructive in this regard.

The author of your link, ‘Simon Turpin’, then goes on to say; “This argument severely underestimates the legitimacy of the MT as we have it. Even though his main focus was on Israel’s kingdoms, Edwin Thiele has shown that in chronological matters the MT is superior to the LXX.”

Well, I beg to differ there. In the MT and Jerome’s OT, Genesis 11: 12-13; Both have; “When Arpachshad was 35 years old, he had a son, Shelah.” Then in 1 Chronicles 1: 18; Again, both have; “Arpachshad was the father of Shelah.”

Whereas the Septuagint has in both Genesis and 1 Chronicles, that Arpachshad is the father of Cainan/Kainam. Luke 3: 23; 35-36, has; “Shelah the son of Cainan the son of Arpachshad”.

Whether Luke received his information from the Hebrew scriptures of his day or from the Greek Septuagint, is unknown, or perhaps he may have read from the book of Jubilees, where it is written in Chapter 8: 1-6; In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, [1373 A.M.] in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu’eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she bare him a son in the third year in this week, [1375 A.M.] and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it. And in the thirtieth jubilee, [1429 A.M.] in the second week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Melka, the daughter of Madai, the son of Japheth, and in the fourth year [1432 A.M.] he begat a son, and called his name Shelah; for he said: ’Truly I have been sent.’

Instead of translating the Latin Vulgate, from the Greek Septuagint, which was a Greek translation by Jews in Alexandria, of the Hebrew scriptures that still existed some 300 years before Jesus, Jerome, although not considered too be an expert on the Hebrew language, nevertheless decided to translate the Latin Vulgate from the Hebrew scriptures that existed in his day rather than the Greek Septuagint.

The Aleppo Codex, the oldest Hebrew Bible in existence today, was written by scribes called Masoretes in Tiberias, Israel, around 930 C.E. The Aleppo Codex is considered to be the most authoritative copy of the Hebrew Bible.

It is unknown from which copy of the Hebrew scriptures the Aleppo Codex was translated almost a thousand years after Jesus, but knowing that the Roman Church had any and all Christian literature of those who opposed their teachings, burned, I don’t believe that there would be too much Hebrew literature to be found in the Roman Empire in those days.

It was Emperor Constantine who decided to personally summon all the opposing and quarrelling Christian leaders to the first ever ‘World Council’.
The date was 325 AD, in the town of Nicaea, where Constantine was to resolve the bitter source of contention between those differing bodies of beliefs. After Constantine the Judge, had made 'HIS' decision on which belief the Christians should follow, he urged all council delegates to sign the revised formula as a statement of faith on which all Christians should in the future agree.

From the book--- “Jesus The Evidence,” by Ian Wilson. P. 144. “The Middle Ages, for the Jews at least, began with the advent to power of Constantine the Great. He was the first Roman Emperor to issue laws which radically limited the rights of the Jews as citizens’ of the Roman Empire, a right conferred on them by Caracalla in 212. As Constantine’s church grew in power it influenced the emperors to limit further the civil and political rights of the Jews.

But if times were again difficult for the Jews, for the Christian Gnostics and other fringe groups they were impossible. The books of Arius and his sympathizers were ordered to be burnt, and a reign of terror proclaimed for all those who did not conform with the new official Christian line decided upon by Emperor Constantine.

:Understand now by this present statute, Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulinians, you who are called Cataphrygians. . . . with what a tissue of lies and vanities, with what destructive and venomous errors, your doctrines are inextricably woven! We give you warning . . . .Let none of you presume, from this time forward, to meet in congregations. To prevent this, we command that you be deprived of all the houses in which you have been accustomed to meet . . . . and that these house’s, should be handed over immediately to the catholic/ i.e. universal church.

Within a generation, hardly leaving a trace of their existence for posterity, the great majority of these groups simply died away as successive Christian emperors reiterated the policies that Constantine had pursued.”

The English translation of the Latin Vulgate, and the English translation of today’s Hebrew scriptures, complement each other, but both contain the same contradictions against the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that existed well before the days of Jesus.

In fact, I could almost be persuaded to believe that around 930 of the Christian era, the Masoretes in Tiberias, Israel, translated their Aleppo Codex, the oldest Hebrew Bible in existence today, from Jerome’s Latin translation of a Hebrew bible that still existed in his day, five hundred years earlier.

There is contradiction in the very first verse no matter what translation you use.

In the beginning God...

How can this be the beginning if God is already there?

And the contradictions exponentially multiply from that fractured logic on...

Are we supposed to ignore the elephant in the room?

Is the beginning a lie?

How is God defined?

To assume God as a constant without any definition, God can be everything and nothing.

God can exist and not exist.

God can be a set of rules that have no matter.

This does not necessary then result in the kind of consciousness that we understand as consciousness.

Does God create his own consciousness in the beginning also?

Let there be light...

I will come back and post more here when this thread gets a positive rating.

In the beginning of ‘WHAT?’

The chair that I sit on had a beginning, in fact everything within this universe including the universe itself had a beginning, but what was its beginning? Would you say that it began from “NOTHING”, did two nothings come together to create “SOMETHING”, which something is the origin all that exists, including the chair that I sit upon?

If it is impossible for ‘SOMETHING’ to be created out of ‘NOTHING’ then there must be something that is eternal, having neither beginning of end, and what do you know? according to our scientists there Is.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. If energy cannot be created, then it always was, and if it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter.

In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was pure electromagnetic energy, that was spewed out in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be re-converted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself,] self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that ‘it,’ [The Eternal Energy] has become, the collective consciousness of all that it is.

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal evolving energy, which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, ’THE GREAT THOUGHT,’ the collective consciousness of all that exists. At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears everywhere throughout the universe that is he.

440 BC - Democritus and Leucippus suggested the idea of the atom, an indivisible particle that all matter is made of. To the ancient Greeks the word atom meant indivisible. It was used to describe the smallest indivisible piece of a matter. Atom was derived from the Greek word atomon or atomos meaning indestructible.

In the days of Paul, it was believed by faith alone, that all visible matter in the universe was built by the gathering together of smaller and invisible particles. Today we know this to be a fact, Matter is but the gathering together of invisible molecules, created by the gathering together of invisible atoms, which themselves are created from the gathering of invisible sub-atomic particles that are formed from Photons or wave particles, which are not physical particles at all, although generally regarded as discrete stable elementary energy wave particles, having zero mass, no electric charge, yet carrying angular and linear momentum. . . . . . . . . From the seemingly nothingness was the world created.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists have revealed that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

To be continued.

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