CMON MR CUOMO

@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Cuomo can at least stnd for "THE RIGHT THING TO BE DONE"

He could. I doubt he will.

He's already signaled that he will double down on, "I never did anything wrong."

They all do. Just as the cover-up is as bad as the crime...so too is the denial as bad as the action.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

As someone who is perfectly willing to defend the indefensible, I am not willing to defend Cuomo; not after actually reading the report.

I am normally skeptical of the often overblown media coverage of these things. I don't know if anyone else took the time to read the actual report. It is pretty damning.

I did not, nor will I, defend him.

I expressed my disappointment with him.

I thought he was something special at one time...and he proved to be anything but. I was wrong.

As I have mentioned in other places, I once thought Trump was a special person. On that, I was very, very wrong.

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@Frank Apisa,

well, he can have his day in court when hes impeached. Im not sure the doctrine of presumed innocence applies here because most of these complaints are backed by common knowldge and strong evidence

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@VABGirl,

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I just feel uncomfortable with someone losing a job over allegations.

By itself, that's a sensible position to hold. Mere allegations are noteworthy but not conclusive. Investigations have to be done. And that's your problem - an investigation of months in duration was done by the NY AG. And that investigation is conclusive with testimony and documentation related to at least eleven women's experiences. He now faces a likely impeachment trial, criminal investigations in Manhattan and Albany and, so far, one lawsuit.
Correction: It's not a lawsuit, rather a criminal filing by one woman.

As regards an earlier comment suggesting that because you are (apparently) a female, your opinion holds unique weight or weight that surpasses the opinion of a male, shall we note that the AG here is a female.

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@blatham,

I can say being female hasnt made me more brilliant, lol. And as a conservative i dont mind seeing a liberal squirm but i still think Cuomo must be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

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@VABGirl,

Presumption of innocence is a legal principle related to criminal prosecutions. It is not a standard or principle related to someone in political office or in the corporate realm, etc. Do you/did you believe Roger Ailes ought not to have been removed on the basis of presumption of innocence? Or that Clinton ought not to have been impeached? Or that Donald Trump ought to be presumed innocent of grabbing women's pussies?

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Some women have been photographed wearing signs with arrows pointing: "He can grab my (arrow) any time." for Mr. Trump.

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@blatham,

Yes, except Clinton was impeached for lying under oath.

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@edgarblythe,

Id prefer he leave my ignition alone.

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@edgarblythe,

That's just an "own the libs" troll. We can assume it doesn't apply to the plumber or the Uber driver or the old guy digging beer cans from the garbage. Though I suppose for some of those ladies, it might.

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@VABGirl,

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Yes,

What are you saying "yes" to? That Ailes ought not to have been removed? That Trump is innocent of grabbing women's pussies?

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Presumption of innocence is a legal principle related to criminal prosecutions. It is not a standard or principle related to someone in political office or in the corporate realm, etc. Do you/did you believe Roger Ailes ought not to have been removed on the basis of presumption of innocence? Or that Clinton ought not to have been impeached? Or that Donald Trump ought to be presumed innocent of grabbing women's pussies?

The issue here is hypocrisy. And I am not talking about Lewinsky.

Joana Broadrick made a credible accusation of forcible rape against Bill Clinton. This accusation was supported by reports of sexual assault or harrassment by Bill Clinton made by dozens of other women who worked for Bill Clinton.

Why would anyone believe the charges against Cuomo but not against Clinton?

That is the hypocrisy.

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The rude treatment of VABGirl is another example of hypocrisy.

When Mame or Glitterbag push their views on woman's rights, and I (as a man) disagree with them, I am "mansplaining". I am a misogynist for disagreeing with them because I am a man, and as a man I should shut up about woman's issues.

Yet here, where liberal men disagree with VABGirl (the only woman so far)... it is VABGirl who is getting disparage for daring to talk about woman's issues.

This is political hypocrisy. It isn't really about gender, it is about ideology.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

The rude treatment of VABGirl is another example of hypocrisy.

When Mame or Glitterbag push their views on woman's rights, and I (as a man) disagree with them, I am "mansplaining". I am a misogynist for disagreeing with them because I am a man, and as a man I should shut up about woman's issues.

Yet here, where liberal men disagree with VABGirl (the only woman so far)... it is VABGirl who is getting disparage for daring to talk about woman's issues.

This is political hypocrisy. It isn't really about gender, it is about ideology.

Wake up, Max. VABGirl is the one raising the political ideology factor...and raising it often.

So...she is an American conservative. She is allowed to be. I have no idea why anyone would want to brag about that, but she does...and she introduces it as a predicate for what she has to say.

Any **** she is getting on that account is well deserved.

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On this thread I thought we all were being relatively civilized.

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@Frank Apisa,

I am not sure I get your point Frank. Are you saying that people who identify themselves as "conservative" deserve "any **** they get"? I disagree with you, but I won't argue the point.

The narrative is that we should "listen to women". And there are special pejoratives for men who dare to disagree with liberal women. I don't how many people on this thread believe that we should listen to women.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I am not sure I get your point Frank. Are you saying that people who identify themselves as "conservative" deserve "any **** they get"? I disagree with you, but I won't argue the point.

I am not saying that. But if the woman wants unnecessarily to predicate posts she makes in a thread with notification that she is a "conservative"...she may get some **** thrown her way by people who think American conservatives are low-lifes.

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The narrative is that we should "listen to women". And there are special pejoratives for men who dare to disagree with liberal women. I don't how many people on this thread believe that we should listen to women.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I understand. My comments were not directed toward that undertaking on your part.

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@Frank Apisa,

Somebody says they want to stay out of politics then immediately announces their political affiliation.

That’s not how you do it. I didn’t announce my politics on arrival here.

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@Frank Apisa,

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the political ideology factor

Such a weird charge here. As I noted earlier, in my reading (which is a lot) I have seen not a single defense or justification of Cuomo (a Democrat) from folks on the political left. Not one. And the universal opinion so far at least is that he should resign. As a leftie, I find this gratifying. And as also noted earlier, this all follows a deep and long investigation by a state AG.

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I don't understand how he's stayed so long.

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