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Do angels have wings ?

 
 
Fri 28 May, 2021 08:42 am
Many have been taught or cultivated to believe in angels with wings and hollywood has given us that idea. But reality angels where never given wings they are powerful beings with nigh powers. But how did this influence dictated over christians in the catholic with baby wings cherubs and seraphs with snake who had wings.

And in those times it was how people view angels but hebrew people state that angels are powerful like G-d and in his throne which is holy G-d is A consuming fire that no one can withstand and his angels Seraphims, Cherubins, and Thrones are made of that fire and can stand near him.

Zoroastrianism was the one with the concept of good and evil and thus influence christianity. Do really christians follow the originla hebrews roots of how angel appear because they don't have for it is forbidden to paint them or to draw the angels that is why we do not have an appearance of them.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 28 May, 2021 09:49 am
@davidsheep88,
davidsheep88 wrote:


Many have been taught or cultivated to believe in angels with wings and hollywood has given us that idea. But reality angels where never given wings they are powerful beings with nigh powers. But how did this influence dictated over christians in the catholic with baby wings cherubs and seraphs with snake who had wings.

And in those times it was how people view angels but hebrew people state that angels are powerful like G-d and in his throne which is holy G-d is A consuming fire that no one can withstand and his angels Seraphims, Cherubins, and Thrones are made of that fire and can stand near him.

Zoroastrianism was the one with the concept of good and evil and thus influence christianity. Do really christians follow the originla hebrews roots of how angel appear because they don't have for it is forbidden to paint them or to draw the angels that is why we do not have an appearance of them.


Since the existence of gods and angels is just a silly (in my opinion) blind guess about what exists...

...why not blindly guess angels have wings as blindly guess that they do not? Why not blindly guess they are tall or short or slim or fat or anything else?

Why would any blind guess be any better than any other?
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InfraBlue
 
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Fri 28 May, 2021 10:48 am
@davidsheep88,
In regard to Biblical ideas about angels, or in Hebrew malachim, they get conflated with cherubim and seraphim seeing as how neither are specifically referred to as malachim, or "messengers," as far as I've read. The cherubim and seraphim are described as being winged, however, e.g. Exodus 25:20, Isaiah 6:2, respectively.
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Jasper10
 
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Fri 28 May, 2021 10:58 am
@davidsheep88,
The 4 off logic possibility outputs are not “blind guesses”.They correlate with philosophy and science.Good might be bad and bad might be good but equally good might be good and bad might be bad.

Most modern day philosophy does not recognise the 4 off logic possibility outputs.It only recognises 2 without any justification whatsoever for doing so.

This is why most modern day philosophy IS out of date and why science is lost.
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farmerman
 
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Sat 29 May, 2021 05:55 am
@davidsheep88,
biologically speaking, no vertebrates have 3 pairs of arms, legs and wings.

All tetrapods with wings are cartoons . Dragons with wings had no forearms,(the forearms WERE the wings).

Reality kicks in evry so often.
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davidsheep88
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2021 12:57 am
@davidsheep88,
he bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.
20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.
Ezekiel 10:1-22
That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?
Zoroastrianism​
Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.
What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”
It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power
. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.
Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this
Rank Angelic Class Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim “Godly beings”
8 Bene Elohim “Sons of Godly beings”
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5
then the christian one
1: Seraphims
2:Cherubins
3:Thrones (Ophanims)
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels
are the order of christians.
But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi’s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?
Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.
So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.
When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.
Where does it say they don’t have wings ?
The ophanims ( Thrones)
they do not have wings
Ezekiel 1:15-21
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.
There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.
A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren’t they archangels shouldn’t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God’s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.
Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.
So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based but made up.
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limpiezaenergetica
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2022 01:08 pm
@davidsheep88,
I think wings appear only in artistic representations.
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PoliteMight
 
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Sat 21 May, 2022 07:32 am
@davidsheep88,
Hollywood has nothing to do with that at all. It was post Roman Empire mentalities. It is called theatrics ( theater ). It was started via traveling entertainers, and people of the cloth most likely influence before the 30- 60 - 100 years war among many so called "holy crusades".

Real Angels are no different then their demonic counter-parts. They are like some kind of horror monster, MECHANICAL MONSTER-CITIES, and if you saw one you would most likely not believe so. During the beginning ( according to text ) they help make the creatures of the Earth with god.

Angel appears and says "Do not fear me". Why is that ?

This is why Lutheranism is probably the way to go or Greek Orthodox in term of Christianity. Maybe even Protestant
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