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Texas legislature wants no background checks and NO LICENSES

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 05:19 pm
@snood,
From: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-04-18/gun-laws-in-canada-are-more-reasonable-than-those-in-america

"Canada, with a population of 37 million, had 249 homicides by firearm in 2018. The U.S., with a population of 327 million, had 13,958. Louisiana alone, with a population of 4.7 million, had 497. That is, with about one-eighth of Canada’s population, Louisiana, which has some of the laxest gun laws in the U.S., managed to double Canada’s firearm homicides."

This is just tragic. When did people start trying to solve issues with weapons, or when did it get so 'normal'?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 06:17 pm
@Mame,

That's quite a headline. People who oppose civil liberties always invoke terms like "reasonable" or "common sense".

It never fails. It's like a law of nature or something.


Mame wrote:
"Canada, with a population of 37 million, had 249 homicides by firearm in 2018. The U.S., with a population of 327 million, had 13,958. Louisiana alone, with a population of 4.7 million, had 497. That is, with about one-eighth of Canada’s population, Louisiana, which has some of the laxest gun laws in the U.S., managed to double Canada’s firearm homicides."

The article's focus on gun deaths is curious. Why does it matter that they were killed with guns instead of with some other weapons?


Mame wrote:
This is just tragic. When did people start trying to solve issues with weapons, or when did it get so 'normal'?

10,000 BC, give or take.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 06:37 pm
@oralloy,
From: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

According to the UN's Global Study on Homicide, 464,000 people died from violent crimes in 2017, more than armed combat and terrorism combined. The report states that countries with high firearm rates tend to have higher intentional homicide rates. According to the report, "since the start of the twenty-first century, organized crime has resulted in roughly the same number of killings as all armed conflicts across the world combined. It is estimated that an average of roughly 65,000 killings every year were related to organized crime and gangs over the period 2000–2017, and that up to 19 per cent of all homicides recorded globally in 2017 were related to organized crime and gangs."

There are several countries, however, that have exceptionally low homicide rates. The ten countries with the lowest murder rates are:

Japan (0.2)
Singapore (0.2)
China, Hong Kong (0.3)
Luxembourg (0.3)
Indonesia (0.4)
Norway (0.5)
Oman (0.5)
Switzerland (0.5)
United Arab Emirates (0.5)
China (0.6)

Here are the 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:

El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people)
Honduras (56.52 per 100k people)
Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people)
United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people)
Jamaica (47.01 per 100k people)
Lesotho (41.25 per 100k people)
Belize (37.60 per 100k people)
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.46 per 100k people)
Saint Kitts And Nevis (34.23 per 100k people)
South Africa (33.97 per 100k people)

I'm surprised Mexico is not on the latter list due to:

"With the assassination of the Citizens’ Movement candidate for mayor of #Moroleon, Guanajuato, Alma Barragan, 88 politicians have been assassinated during #Elecciones2021MX (34 of them aspiring or current candidates for elected positions)."

Gang-related murders.



oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 07:49 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
According to the UN's Global Study on Homicide, 464,000 people died from violent crimes in 2017, more than armed combat and terrorism combined. The report states that countries with high firearm rates tend to have higher intentional homicide rates.

The report is factually incorrect.

Gun availability has very little correlation with homicide rates.


Mame wrote:
According to the report, "since the start of the twenty-first century, organized crime has resulted in roughly the same number of killings as all armed conflicts across the world combined. It is estimated that an average of roughly 65,000 killings every year were related to organized crime and gangs over the period 2000–2017, and that up to 19 per cent of all homicides recorded globally in 2017 were related to organized crime and gangs."

That is plausible.


Mame wrote:
There are several countries, however, that have exceptionally low homicide rates. The ten countries with the lowest murder rates are:

Japan (0.2)
Singapore (0.2)
China, Hong Kong (0.3)
Luxembourg (0.3)
Indonesia (0.4)
Norway (0.5)
Oman (0.5)
Switzerland (0.5)
United Arab Emirates (0.5)
China (0.6)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

civilian firearms per 100 persons

Norway: 28.8
Switzerland: 27.6


Mame wrote:
Here are the 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:

El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people)
Honduras (56.52 per 100k people)
Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people)
United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people)
Jamaica (47.01 per 100k people)
Lesotho (41.25 per 100k people)
Belize (37.60 per 100k people)
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.46 per 100k people)
Saint Kitts And Nevis (34.23 per 100k people)
South Africa (33.97 per 100k people)

civilian firearms per 100 persons

Lesotho: 4.8
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines: 3.4
Saint Kitts And Nevis: 3.4
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 10:35 pm
@oralloy,
The report IS factually correct. It shows how Americans are incapable of refraining the use of fire arms to resolve conflict.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 11:05 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Gun availability has very little correlation with homicide rates.


National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine: The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
Quote:
Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). [...]
Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 11:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
So what? Does is make any difference that the victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?

Or, to hear the wisdom of Archie Bunker once again:
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2021 11:20 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
The report IS factually correct.

No it isn't. There is very little correlation between gun availability and homicide rates.


neptuneblue wrote:
It shows how Americans are incapable of refraining the use of fire arms to resolve conflict.

So what? Does is make any difference that murder victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 12:51 am
@oralloy,
Apologies for the typos.

Does it make any difference that murder victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 01:22 am
Archie Bunker isn't even original, he’s based on Alf Garnett, even the stories are the same.

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 01:44 am
@izzythepush,
If there is a British version of that "pushed out of windows" bit, I'd be interested in seeing it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 02:08 am
@oralloy,
There’s no British version, there’s an American version of a British original.

Bunker is a watered down xerox of a classic comedy character.

If you want to research Alf Garnett you have google and the internet, maybe you can get someone to show you how they work.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 04:06 am
Quote:
Does it make any difference that murder victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?

Well, since this thread is about licenses and background checks for firearms the use of knives as murder weapons is off-topic and irrelevant. In general, however, mass murders are more easily committed with handheld firearms than with handheld knives, for obvious reasons. You don't see police officers and modern combat forces armed solely with knives.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 04:31 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Quote:
Does it make any difference that murder victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?
Additionally to what you wrote:
If one refers to the principles and guidelines of profiling, offender profiling, ViCLAS, and Operative Case Analysis, there is another "yes" to that quoted question.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:12 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
So what? Does is make any difference that murder victims were killed with guns instead of killed with knives?


Yes, it does make a BIG difference. Here I thought your "superior intellect" and "high moral fiber" would allow you to see that. But alas, since you have neither of those two traits, nor common sense or decency, it has to be explained to you yet again.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:28 am
@neptuneblue,
This topic is too complex for you to understand. You should run along and try to find a topic more suited to your capability.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:29 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Well, since this thread is about licenses and background checks for firearms the use of knives as murder weapons is off-topic and irrelevant.

What is irrelevant is the talk about "gun homicide rates".

The comparison of "gun homicides" with "homicides by other weapons" is relevant, as it proves that "gun homicide rates" are irrelevant.


hightor wrote:
In general, however, mass murders are more easily committed with handheld firearms than with handheld knives, for obvious reasons. You don't see police officers and modern combat forces armed solely with knives.

So what? Are murder victims "less dead" if their murderer had to expend more effort killing them?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
If one refers to the principles and guidelines of profiling, offender profiling, ViCLAS, and Operative Case Analysis, there is another "yes" to that quoted question.

Why? What does it matter what sort of weapon someone is murdered with?

Are people who are killed with knives "less dead" than people who are killed with guns?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:41 am
@oralloy,
You should take your own advice. Run along now.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2021 05:45 am
@neptuneblue,
I don't share your lack of ability.
 

 
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