What are the positives to being biracial?

They didn't destroy the Indians' livelihood by systematically destroying the bison just to be good neighbors.

@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

They didn't destroy the Indians' livelihood by systematically destroying the bison just to be good neighbors.

So you are claiming the hunting and the killing of Bison was the result of the desire to harm the native peoples and not for any other reason such as feeding the labor force working on the railroads at the time for example.

It not that simple that it was all the results of the evil whites being evil.

Quote:

https://sites.google.com/a/owu.edu/bison-thehopeforthefuture/home/the-causes-of-the-bison-population-decrease

The reasons behind the drastic population decrease of the American Bison post 1492 is a multi faceted issue that is both caused by environmental factors as well as human involvement. One of the major contributors to the population decrease is the desecration of the prairie lands. With out a place to sustain them many buffalo could not survive, as well as forced them to have much smaller herds which led to inbreeding/ diminished diversity of bison genetics which leads to many health problems. Other health problems that influenced the decrease of the American Bison is a virus called Brucellosis, which causes female bison to have trouble having a baby or having enough milk to support it. (Conger)

Along with these, the increase in technology, such as guns, led to the more effective slaughter of bison by Indian tribes, as well as many white settlers killed buffalo for sport. This coupled with “a drought dried out the animals’ grassland habitat, which was already overburdened by new populations of horses and cattle. Farmers and ranchers began killing bison to make room for their animals. Some soldiers killed bison to spite their American Indian enemies, who depended on the animals for food and clothing” (Portman). Some even say that the mass slaughter of Bison was instrumented by the government as a way to exterminate the native population.

Overall, it is unclear as to how so many Bison were killed in such a small time period, but decrease of habitat, increase in disease levels and new technology coupled with white settlers vendettas, definitely provides some answers.

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@snood,

You know I was being ironic.

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@izzythepush,

Nope. Didn’t. Thanks for telling me. Thing is, I don’t take much for granted when it comes to getting clarity on where people stand on matters of racial injustice.

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Bill, you are being an asshole.

Le[t's look at what happened. North America had a thriving population consisting of many different cultures. Then British colonizers (and other Europeans came). The civilizations disappeared and millions of people died. The British colonizers took the land (which wasn't theirs) and their descendants now control it.

What do you call that?

Now there are many specific atrocities that happened that you are conveniently avoiding, from wars, to well-documented campaigns to exterminate the native Americans that you can read in the British colonizers own words.

You can google Native American massacres yourself. But is was more than individual brutal acts. Even when the British and their descendants weren't directly killing indigenous people they were pushing them out. When a White person wanted prime farming land, they simply took it... leaving the indigenous people to give up their own land to take land that no one wanted.

What you are doing is as bad a holocaust denial.

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@snood,

Max tries to get a rise out of me by attacking my nationality. Notice how all mention of the British only started once I posted on this thread.

He tries to blame all the woes of the World on us while at the same time whitewashing America’s record.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the British Empire didn’t do a lot of bad stuff, just that it wasn’t the only party.

You are more interested in the truth than in point scoring, and I appreciate that.

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@izzythepush,

Other players? Is Izzy blaming France?

Historically speaking, the British committed the massacres. It is British military officers who wrote their plans for "extermination" of native populations. It was the British who stole the land. It was the British who set up the spave plantations.

France was here, but often sided with indigenous populations. The genocide happened after France ceded its territory.

The White Supremacy in the United States is still English Speaking and Protestant. They call themselves Anglo-Saxon and are obsessed with celtic runes. This isn't a French problem and you can't blame it on the Italians.

The British Empire was based on the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race and culture. That is the reason that the United States wiped out the indigenous cultures who lived in North America before the British arrived.

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@maxdancona,

Talk about denial you seem to be in denial of those peaceful peoples having a history for thousands of years of wiping each other out and taking each other lands and women long long before whites arrive on the scene.

Then we have one of the the most powerful culture who delight in cutting the hearts out for religion reasons of their slaves.

Hell that practice of cutting the beating hearts out of men and women did not stop until the evil Spanish put a stop to it.

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I guess we can overlook the white treatment of Indians because there were no explicit rules laid down to exterminate every single one.

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So Bill,

If the Native Americans hadn't been such bloodthirsty savages, then would you agree that exterminating them was a horrible crime?

I don't see how your argument makes any sense even if it were historically accurate. It is irrelevant... the British colonizers came to take over the land. They destroyed the existing cultures that were living here.

I disagree with your portrayal of Native American cultures. But I also think it is irrelevant. You don't justify the holocaust by arguing that the victims were bad people.

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It's right there, in Jefferson's own hand:

https://www.indianz.com/News/2015/03/30/declarationofindependence.jpg

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@maxdancona,

So the murder of farmers to the point that people who depended on those farmers begin to starve to death should be overlook in your opinion under your theory that unlike all the other groups whites deserve to be killed due to them being the last majority group to move into the new world?

You do know that the so call native people all have a history of moving into the new world in waves at earlier times?

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https://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-apache/

Apache is a collective name given to several culturally related tribes that speak variations of the Athapascan language and are of the Southwest cultural area. The Apache separated from the Athapascan in western Canada centuries ago, migrating to the southwestern United States. Although there is some evidence Southern Athapascan peoples may have visited the Southwest as early as the 13th century AD, most scientists believe they arrived permanently only a few decades before the Spanish.

The Zuni, a Pueblo people, gave them the name Apachu, meaning “enemy.” In their dialects, the Apache call themselves Tinneh, Tinde, Dini, or one of several other variations, all meaning “the people.”

Early Apache were a nomadic people, ranging over a wide area of the United States, with the Mescalero Apache roaming as far south as Mexico. They were primarily hunter-gatherers, with some bands hunting buffalo and some practicing limited farming.

Apache woman and basket
Apache woman and basket

Men participated in hunting and raiding activities, while women gathered food, wood, and water. Western Apache tribes were matrilineal, tracing descent through the mother; other groups traced their descent through both parents. Polygamy was practiced when economic circumstances permitted and marriage could be terminated easily by either party. Their dwellings were shelters of brush called wickiups, which were easily erected by the women and were well adapted to their arid environment and constant shifting of the tribes. Some families lived in buffalo-hide teepees, especially among the Kiowa-Apache and Jicarilla. The Apache made little pottery and were known instead for their fine basketwork. In traditional Apache culture, each band was made up of extended families with a headman chosen for leadership abilities and exploits in war. For centuries they were fierce warriors, adept in wilderness survival, who carried out raids on those who encroached on their territory.

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@izzythepush,

After seeing the nonsense happening in the US of late I am beginning to wonder if our founders did the correct thing in breaking away for the Empire.

IE the Americans Tories was right after all.

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@BillRM,

There was a similar situation with Australia but it was a bit later, things had moved on, and the findings were the Australians had a point.

Compromises were made and Australia remains part of the Commonwealth.

America can always join, Rwanda joined in 2009, despite never being part of the British Empire.

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@maxdancona,

So how about allowing the native cultures to go back into large scale raiding for such things as women and horses and now days four by four vehicles?

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Izzy,

Bill is arguing that

1) The Idigenous people of the United States were babaric savages.
2) The British and their US descendants were correct to wipe them out.
3) That Native Americans today if unchecked would ride around in trucks "hunting women".

This is pretty racist stuff.... are you really aligning yourself with Bill here?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

So how about allowing the native cultures to go back into large scale raiding for such things as women and horses and now days four by four vehicles?

This is one of the most racist things ever written on Able2know. Imagine being Native American (or African-American, or Mexican-American, or Jewish American) and reading this about yourself. This exact racist fantasy has been applied to African Americans and Hispanic Americans too.

Racism against Indegenous people whould be taken as seriously as racism against any other group.

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@BillRM,

It looks like you’re trying to singlehandedly bring back the myth of the Wild savages conquered by the brave and noble pioneers.

Right out of a circa 1920 John Ford movie.

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@maxdancona,

So raiding each other for women and then horses and such was not common between south west tribes in your opinion?????

Or are you trying to sell the idea that stating uncomfortable facts by itself is racist ?

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