Black and female privledge, honest discussion please? New

My thought on this was first off we do not know if they got a cushy deal - the article does not state what deal they got just that there was a deal in the process.

Second - prosecutors and the judge's hands are tied to a degree due to what is legally put in place.

The article itself states:

"Under DC law, the 13-year-old can’t be charged as an adult — even in a murder case, according to the Post. The 15-year-old suspect could be charged as an adult, but that would increase the burden of proof on prosecutors, the report said

In juvenile court in the district, defendants who are found “responsible” — meaning guilty — may only be jailed until the age of 21, according to the outlet."

So you cannot compare these two girls to two white men - the laws are different for adults and minors. So to me this is more to do with their age than being female or black. The only plausible comparison would be to compare to teen white boys. And also we do not even know what their plea is at this point.

The overall sad thing is how did such young girls get to be so violent?

There is a reason why we do not charge kids this age as adults - their brains are not fully developed. Should they get away with murder? Of course not. But with their young age is there a better way to handle than to put them in jail for the rest of their life? What about the victim and his family? There is consideration there as well. Does the girls' parents, since they are minors, have any accountability for this? Way too many questions than a blanket statement that because they black and female they got a cushy plea agreement.

Do you think race and gender were in play in the case or was it more age (or maybe all)? This is a tough case to find comparisons for since the situation is so extreme.

Overall it is hard to tell as we do not know yet what is the actual punishment. However, the law is stating it is based on age. Personally just on how society views girls vs boys - I would assume (and this is my personal assumption) gender - it is more difficult to view a girl being so violent over a boy - not saying that cannot happen just harder for most people to view a girl to be this violent. And race last - I do think all will have an impact - it is hard to be completely unbiased no matter how you try,

At least that is how I view it. I was shocked hearing teens of that age acting so violently no matter whether a girl, boy or their race - then hearing it was two girls even more so.

Once we hear the outcome it would be interesting to compare to other teens that have killed.

The person in question is very confrontational and makes discussions personal and can be quite spiteful.

They came on to an obituary thread I’d started just to insult the person who had died.

That’s the sort of person they are.

I saw that, I decided that if they are too lazy to even google the name I'm not going to do the work for them. By the way, his death was reported on CNN, obviously he was remembered...not everyone lives in a cave over here.

I know, having said all that I wish Linkat well, and hope she can have a proper discussion on the subject.

Me too.

Thanks for the insight -

That's not true at all. That you interpreted it that way shows the kind of person that you are, not me. I didn't know who the person was.

To be honest, my thread was closed for no good reason. You can clearly see the comments, none were removed. Nothing spiteful said by anyone. It was simply shut down because the leftists here refuse to acknowledge how outrageous it is to claim that we live in a "white supremacist patriarchy" when black people and women are allowed to get away with things that white men never would be able to.

In reality it's only progressives who like to insult dead people.

I suppose Mr. Trump insulted Mr. McCain. But that's a rare exception. And you can see how much progressives hate him for using tactics that they think should be reserved for themselves.

Media Just Cooked Up a Scheme to Provide Cover For Black NFL Player Who Killed All-White Family

The media is finding itself between a rock and a hard place lately.

They’ve been working overtime to convince us that “white supremacy” is the true threat this county is facing. Meanwhile, reality and facts are not working out in their favor.

First of all, crime is soaring in Democrat-run cities, thanks to their “Defund The Police” campaign.

From KMJNow Radio:

Movements to defund the police have grown since George Floyd died in police custody in Minneapolis. Defunding means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality.

More than 20 major cities have reduced their police budgets in some form, though the scale and circumstances vary.

The results have not fared well in Los Angeles, Oakland, New York City, Portland and Austin. Homicides in Oakland, California, have risen 314 percent compared with the same time last year and law enforcement has seen a 113 percent increase in firearms assaults. [KMJNow]

But the bad news gets even worse for the media. The latest rash of shootings, attacks on Asians, and “insurrections” at the Capitol have involved black men.

Remember when the media did their best to try and turn the attacks on Asians into “white supremacy” after the massage parlor shootings?

They tried — A for effort — but it didn’t work out for them. Even liberal utopia San Francisco has given up that spin and conceded that black people are attacking Asians at an alarming rate.

From SFGate:

At least four high-profile attacks involving blacks and Asians have occurred since January in San Francisco and Oakland, including the beating death of Tian Sheng Yu, 59, last month. Two 18-year-old men have been charged with murder.

Now Chen and his family have joined a chorus of voices in the Bay Area saying that the increasingly visible and deadly incidents of black-on-Asian violence are racially motivated.

“I don’t like to say this is race discrimination, but I have to say it!!!” Rongshi Chen’s daughter-in-law, Si Chen, wrote in an e-mail.

Others — including the police chiefs of San Francisco and Oakland — are just as emphatic that the problem is not hatred of Asian Americans, but a hazardous collision between angry young men and a vulnerable population with cash in their pockets. [SFGATE]

That article is a hoot. According to the reporter, black men are not attacking Asians because of “racism” — they’re just attacking people who stereotypically make good money. That’s quite a spin-job.

It’s amazing the pretzels liberal reporters will twist themselves into in order to provide cover for black crimes.

And nowhere is that pretzel-twisting more apparent than with the recent murder of a white family of five in South Carolina.

On Wednesday afternoon, Dr. Robert Lesslie, 70, and his wife, Barbara, 69, were pronounced dead at the scene along with grandchildren Adah Lesslie, 9, and Noah Lesslie, 5.

The family was murdered by Phillip Adams, a former NFL player who killed himself during a police stand-off shortly after the shooting.

Reports indicate that Adams had been treated by the doctor at some point.

This story was a golden opportunity for a fair-minded press to dive into this man’s past and explore the very real possibility that “racism” was a motive — especially in this divisive climate and with all the other black “hate crimes” going on.

God knows the media would have breathlessly explored that angle if the races were reversed.

However, the liberal AP reporter didn’t go that route. Instead, he got into his pretzel suit and wrote a piece about what a “good boy” this murderer was and how “football” was likely to blame for the killing spree.

Just look at how the AP framed this story:

Adams, 33, played in 78 NFL games over five seasons for six teams. He joined the 49ers in 2010 as a seventh-round draft pick out of South Carolina State, and though he rarely started, he went on to play for New England, Seattle, Oakland and the New York Jets before finishing his career with the Atlanta Falcons in 2015.

As a rookie late in the 2010 season, Adams suffered a severe ankle injury that required surgery that included several screws being inserted into his leg. He never played for the 49ers again, getting released just before the 2011 season began. Later, with the Raiders, he had two concussions over three games in 2012.

Whether he suffered long-lasting concussion-related injuries wasn’t immediately clear. Adams would not have been eligible for testing as part of a broad settlement between the league and its former players over such injuries, because he hadn’t retired by 2014.

Adams’ father told a Charlotte television station that he blamed football for problems his son had, and which might have led him to commit Wednesday’s violence.

“I can say he’s a good kid — he was a good kid, and I think the football messed him up,” Alonzo Adams told WCNC-TV. “He didn’t talk much and he didn’t bother nobody.” [Associated Press]

The AP story goes on to say how police tried to negotiate with Adams, who took refuge in his parent’s home after the murders and even begged him to surrender, promising him that they would take care of his disabled mother.

Good lord, is this Tiny Tim, or a vicious killer? It’s hard to tell at this point.

In the end, Mr. Adams shot himself and not only ended his life but also ended any chance we have at ever knowing the real reason why he murdered this prominent white family.

This story and Mr. Adams will now be buried 6 feet underground and never spoken of again — except as an example of how “evil” football is.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/04/phillip-adams-murder-south-carolina-nfl/

I didn’t expect to be validated quite so soon.

I hope you’re able to discuss this rationally but the odds are against it.

The original thread reminds me of the white victims of black violence thread started by avowed racist Pamela Rosa which just listed violence by black people with no attempt to look at the violence perpetrated by white people.

For what it’s worth I agree with you, the sentencing of the two girls in question has nothing to do with their race or gender and everything to do with their ages.

There was a similar outcry over here when the toddler Jamie Bulger was murdered by two boys, their sentencing was seen as too lenient as well, but as the two boys were white there was no racist outpouring.

For the record one of the boys kept his nose clean on release and is now living anonymously at liberty. The other one, who it seems was the main instigator, has been sent back to prison for downloading indecent images of children. I believe he is still there.

I hope you can discuss this topic without it descending to insults and name calling but I doubt it. That’s all certain people want to do.

So predictable.

I'm still waiting for him to show us pictures of the antifa demonstrators he saw at the Jan 6 insurrection.

I know, normally when one predicts someone’s behaviour one would expect to be quite pleased but I just find it all quite depressing.

You’ll have a good long wait for those photos, I think Halley’s comet will get here first.

Thank you. I have no issue just bypassing people like you describe. At this point I am waiting to see what happens. I do remember the incident you described. In one way I am glad that one boy did redeem himself. As horrible a crime it is it is so hard to grasp anyone that age really knows what they are doing.

I certainly do not have the answer which is right as then you think of the family of the victim.

The victim's family is always the toughest part. You don't want justice to turn into vengeance, but how is the family going to be ok with a moderate sentence?

Exactly it seems or feels like it is minimizing the victim's life.

It’s very difficult, the parents were heartbroken and the public mood was one of anger. I think we all thought they got off too easily, but the law on criminal responsibility is there for a reason.

When Jamie Bulgur disappeared the Kid was only seven months old, so it really hit home. The trial, with various witnesses was pretty harrowing too.

Not on the same scale at all, but we had a babysitter steal my wife's jewelry. We would later learn it was to support a drug habit and she was pregnant at the time, so bad all the way around, but not violent or anything like that. Of course we felt violated (she went in our room, rummaged around our stuff!) and we pretty much did all the leg work for the police to identify what had happened and get some of the jewelry back. The babysitter got what to me seemed like a slap on the wrist. While I was thinking felony she got off with a misdemeanor. In retrospect, a felony would have been pretty devastating in terms of coming clean, finding a job, taking care of the child. Part of me wanted PUNISHMENT. That part was loud and emotional at the time. A more quiet, logical part wanted rehabilitation so maybe the judge and prosecutor knew what they were doing. I've read some studies on punishment and rehabilitation and what I remember is the first year is anger, the second is remorse and after that you get rehabilitation. You don't need 30 year sentences even for murder. In Europe, 10-20 is typical and often reduced from there. I think the battle between what is good for society and what is demanded for the victims is one of the toughest parts of our system.