Black and female privledge, honest discussion please? New

Even putting aside the family and the victim...

I disagree on murder - depending on the circumstances - I do believe that some people just cannot be rehabilitated and some murders are so heinous and thought out never showing any remorse at all - you really do not want to release those people back in society to give them the opportunity to kill again.

These are the extremes and they are out there. Like Charles Manson and Ted Bundy - would you really want to release them after 20 years?

This is completely different than a minor in the case of these girls - not planning on killing but trying to car jack - granted they had a total disregard for this person's human life - but is it possible these girls are young enough they can be taught to be remorseful - to learn to be good citizens?

I’m gratified that this has moved on from it’s racist roots and moved on to the legitimate topic of child murderers.

For that you should be congratulated. Well done.

When the Bulgar case was going on there was a lot of talk about what we should do with children like this, and the case of Mary Bell was brought up.

There is a page on Wikipedia about her so I won’t go into details. The point is that even though the crimes are horrific they are perpetrated by children. It isn’t like they are not being punished for what they have done even though that may seem like a slap on the wrist. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and so many of them seem to have been rehabilitated and are leading productive lives, and those failures like in the Bulgar case have been picked up and put back behind bars.

Even though I agree with it intellectually it still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

It's possible. It's happened before. It's just that there are no guarantees.

I agree there are exceptions but there is also plenty of data to study, both in the US and Europe. Someone is not going to be the same person at 35 or 45 that they were when they were 25.

Except that white teen males are treated completely differently. How soon you all forget Kyle Rittenhouse, who (while not even white) was branded a "white supremacist" by the media to push a narrative even though he was shown through video evidence to be acting in self defense against antifa members who were trying to murder him.

You're the actual racist here izzythepush. You and the leftists like you who follow the doctrine of people like Robert Byrd and LBJ.

"I'll have them ni**ers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

[Said to two governors regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1964, according to then-Air Force One steward Robert MacMillan]

I remember that case. It was horrific because they were so young and it was completely pointless. We've had situations here in Canada where teen girls attack other girls - Rena Virk was one such who was bullied and killed. I don't remember what sentence they got.

But I agree with you - I don't think race is the issue here. I think it's the ages. Have no idea what would or could have prompted such behaviour but those girls need some serious counselling!

I’d like to echo Region and say how pleased I am to see you back.

It’s a difficult subject but if it’s at all possible to rehabilitate children who kill it should be tried.

Quite a few do go on to lead productive lives.

Having said that it still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

Thank you, izzy... I've been reading you this morning and see you haven't changed a bit! lol and don't change!

It's just a complete puzzle to me what prompts anyone, much children, to do these awful things to others, be they people or animals. Not all siblings turn out the same, so maybe it's a mental health issue? Either way, it's extremely sad.

With Mary Bell there was abuse suffered, her mother was a prostitute and her clients had abused her.

It’s no excuse, but it does help explain things.

It’s the old nature v nurture debate.

Nature vs Nurture... that's what I have a hard time swallowing. If you have four siblings and you're the only one committing crimes, it's more likely to be a mental health issue, don't you think? Lots of people have been abused who never committed a crime. Lots of orphans were abandoned during all the wars we've had that never went down that road.

I really do think some people are just born with a twist. Admittedly, abuse could aggravate that twist, but they may be crime-prone anyway. Look at all the psychopaths out there. And we had a case recently where a young schizophrenic male stabbed and killed three people at a party. That's usually the age when schizophrenia presents and his parents (father was former police officer) had no idea what was going on in his head. Another schizophrenic male tried to chew the head off a bus driver (killed him).

That's why I don't read Stephen King.

Wouldn’t mental health come under nature?

I don’t know enough about it, but some conditions like schizophrenia can be treated but psychopathy can’t. I think they call it a personality disorder, but unless it’s caused by some event it would also be nature.

Maybe you're right, two choices might be too simplistic and a third option of mental health be included.

Then again I’m not an expert.

Well, to me, regarding 'nature vs nurture' - 'nature' would be sloth, wanting to cheat, stealing, bigamy, fraud, destruction of property. Killing, raping and maiming are a whole other level that to me is mental health illness/disorder. JMO

Oh no I love to read Stephen king what does that make me?

I'm not sure, but according to Pee Wee Herman "I know you are but what am I" Hah

vewwy, vewwy sick...

I tried reading one his books once - "It" - scared the crap out of me when the first kid went missing so I had to give it away

If you do feel a need to read his stuff, try The Green Mile. It still has some spooky stuff in it, but I rate it as his best.

I’m just trying to figure out what the **** “black and female privilege” is supposed to mean.

It’s something sad white men blame on their failures.

Yes that is really good-there are some that are less "thriller" types - Stand by Me which is a short story is one like that.

Green Mile is not creepy scary and I agree it is really good.

My younger son has just got into Stephen King. It’s the first adult book he has read, actually it’s the first non picture book he’s read.

His autism meant he was really slow at reading, unlike the Kid who was way ahead of everyone else, and I’m so grateful to Stephen King because he now devours them.

He’s read The Shining and The Tommyknockers, now he’s started on Philip Pullman.

I have to confess that I’ve never read any of his stuff.