The Derek Chauvin Trial

@snood,

snood wrote:

You're a liar.

You can't back that up by pointing out anything untrue in my posts.

Phonies never back up anything they say.

snood wrote:

I figured you'd either bullshit your way through,

That's called projection.

snood wrote:

But that's someone with a shred of honor. We're dealing with you.

You are the only person here who is lacking in honor. I have more honor and integrity in my little toe than you have in your entire family tree.

You're probably a coward too. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

glitterbag wrote:
Why do you think the Dept. of Corrections would send a murderer to a prison for nonviolent offenders? Suffocating an incapacitated man in front of children in broad daylight isn't a white collar crime.

Because I know what I'm talking about. I don't babble about subjects that I don't understand like you always do.

You’re saying the Minnesota dept of corrections is going to house someone convicted of 2nd degree murder with non-violent offenders.

That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of damn sense.
You clearly don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

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@snood,

Nah. I'll go back to not replying I think.

I mean, if there were any prospect that I'd get an intelligent conversation out of it if I engaged you, that would be one thing. But I think hitting myself in the head with a hammer would be more rewarding.

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@oralloy,

If second degree murderers can be put in non-violent populations, how about 1st degree murderers? They gonna throw them in with the tax evaders and thieves too, you goofy ass?

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@snood,

My father was a policeman and told me that police who are convicted of crimes generally end up in isolation/high security prisons because of fear of prisoner violence against the police.

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@engineer,

Isolation is one possibility. But the loneliness can be taxing.

Sometimes two convicted cops are allowed to serve time together in isolation.

I'd go the nonviolent prison route if it were me.

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@engineer,

Interesting article about police in prison: https://www.vice.com/en/article/4adxd9/how-former-police-officers-are-treated-in-prison

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@engineer,

Opinions vary. Even among ex-cons and law enforcement.
One thing in the article I don’t think applies in Chauvin’s case is the idea that if a cop did choose to mix in with the general population, he could do so without trouble if he just kept his head down and didn’t identify himself.

There isn’t anyone who had access to a tv, phone, newspaper or computer in the last year who doesn’t know who George Floyd and Derek Chauvin are. Word will leak out that he’s coming to the prison. He will not be anonymous or invisible.

I’ll leave it at this. May Derek Chauvin get as much consideration for his safety and health in prison as he gave George Floyd.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

You can't back that up by pointing out anything untrue in my posts.

Your statement that he was actively resisting (with regards to the context you use it in). It is patently obvious in that video that:
- that for quite some time, Floyd was no longer resisting
- that for quite some time, Floyd was no longer capable of actively resisting (it is also medically/physiologically obvious)
- that during the times he begged that he couldn't breathe, that he was not resisting
- that from the moment he stopped breathing, it was impossible for Floyd to be resisting (and that period went on for some time)

That you keep to your line of 'he was actively resisting' (and context this is used in) without ever acknowledging the above stages (ie. the context/time period others refer to when they say he was not resisting) is the lie you tell.

It's also one of the reasons why other posters are accusing you of racism in the last couple of pages - you apparently can't bring yourself to admit that the black man didn't resist (in the time period) before he died at the hands of the cops.

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@vikorr,

It was hardly quite some time. He had been actively resisting mere seconds before Mr. Chauvin pressed his knee on him. So what I said was not a lie.

And for all Mr. Chauvin knew, the active resistance would resume as soon as he let up.

People were not accusing me of racism in the last couple pages.

When people do accuse me of racism, my accusers are trying to fill the void left by their inability to make intelligent arguments by spouting various lies and personal attacks.

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@oralloy,

"shaking her head"...

Floyd was on the GROUND. He was HANDCUFFED behind his back. A person (COP) was kneeling on his NECK and/or back. How can a person in that position RESIST? Especially when he repeatedly said he couldn't BREATHE.

C'mon, Oralloy - how?

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@Mame,

It is also widely known by police organizations that that particular way of apprehending a person is eventually fatal!

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@BillW,

That's why it was murder.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

Floyd was on the GROUND. He was HANDCUFFED behind his back. A person (COP) was kneeling on his NECK and/or back. How can a person in that position RESIST? Especially when he repeatedly said he couldn't BREATHE.

Again, the resistance was a few seconds before they started pressing him to the ground,

The way he resisted was by bucking and refusing to let the police put him in the back of the squad car.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Again, the resistance was a few seconds before they started pressing him to the ground,

The way he resisted was by bucking and refusing to let the police put him in the back of the squad car.

"A few seconds" warranted that? Really, Oralloy? A few seconds?

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@Mame,

I didn't say that a few seconds warranted anything.

A few seconds was the length of time between "when he was actively resisting" and "when he was being pressed to the ground".

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@oralloy,

Quote:

He had been actively resisting mere seconds before Mr. Chauvin pressed his knee on him.

No one particularly disagrees with this - and this is not the lie I am talking about, and not why others are calling you a liar.

The lie, as I said - is what you refuse to acknowledge the complete lack of resistance between the time he stopped resisting, and his death. For the time period people are talking about he was not actively resisting - at all. This is the context of people saying he wasn't resisting....this is the context (of discussion) where you keep replying that he was actively resisting...so your words form a lie. During that time, he was not actively resisting, at all.

And yet again, you can't apparently bring yourself to say that the black man wasn't resisting the white cops (after he stopped resisting) in the leadup to his death. You keep speaking the 1/4 truth...1/4 truth is not the truth....it is a misleading truth by leaving out inconvenient truth...and you wonder why people call you liar or racist.

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@vikorr,

As a side note - I have no doubt at all that the murder conviction was based in large part on the facts that:
- he wasn't resisting (and Chauvin new this)
- he said so many times he can't breathe (which likely wouldn't have been said so much if he was constantly resisting)
- that people kept saying he couldn't breathe (which likely wouldn't have happened if he was actively and constantly resisting)

The majority of the presented evidence used against Chauvin would have not existed if Floyd was actively resisting in the pertinent timeframe where he was killed.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

If second degree murderers can be put in non-violent populations, how about 1st degree murderers? They gonna throw them in with the tax evaders and thieves too, you goofy ass?

Maybe he should be on the honor system and then be eligible for work release. Of course, he will have to promise not to do it again.

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@vikorr,

No lie on my part. But you are lying when you say that I've lied.

And no. I don't wonder why you do it. I have just recently stated the reason for your lies.

My statement of a fact constitutes evidence that I am aware of that fact.

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