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The Derek Chauvin Trial

 
 
BillW
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2021 10:33 pm
@BillW,
Besides, a knife is really good to go through and clean up the wounded!
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 02:56 am
@BillW,
Not to mention more environmentally friendly.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 04:23 am
@vikorr,
Also, a stylish dagger/sheath goes much better with a snappy clothing ensemble than a bulky, clunky ole gun.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 04:35 am
Yes, all things considered, choosing between a knife and a gun for effectiveness in one’s self-defense or mass murder needs is basically a matter of aesthetics.

I think the military should seriously consider replacing the m-16 and m-4 training at boot camp with a course in slashing and stabbing with a sturdy knife.
Tryagain
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 09:00 am
Ewe cisgender Northern Yankey's make eye laugh, clearly y'all don't own a karambit or fought under the banner; Non Gratus Anus Rodentum and had to deal with the VC in the tunnels on the Batangan Peninsula outside Quang Ngai City.

Iffin' y'all do, then yew know you can't turn a m-16 round in that space. So gimme a nife (in the dark) every time.

Do ya get my point - iffin' y'all are spoons, life is just pointless.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 04:55 pm
@snood,
They do, it is bayonet training. Oops, read it is only Marines now. https://www.gijobs.com

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“Yeah! Take that, tire! F*[email protected] you!”
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 05:06 pm
@snood,
I was thinking they could arm up with throwing knives:
- 4 above the back / over the shoulder
- 4 in arm bracers
- 2 at the hips
- 2 on each tactical thigh sheath
- 1 in each boot
....see, all you can carry weapons of mass slaughter
....equal to a 16 round clip
---if you can throw straight
....and if the other person is helpful enough to not move
....and so very useful in those dark tunnels that most people use each day of their lives
snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 05:36 pm
@BillW,
Yeah, but you see those long, impressive-looking contraptions that on which the bayonets are fastened? Well, those are rifles. They fire bullets. They are the PRIMARY weapons of every ground soldier in our military. Primary. That means first and foremost. They practice long and hard to become proficient with their rifles. They have to re-qualify with them regularly to make sure they can shoot someone at several distances, while aiming from several different body positions. They train with bayonets a fraction of that time, and they don’t have to Re-qualify with them.

You see the difference in the importance the military places on rifles as opposed to blades? You understand why that is?

Of course you knew all this and were just trying to be cheeky.

Cause that’s just how you roll.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 05:41 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I was thinking they could arm up with throwing knives:
- 4 above the back / over the shoulder
- 4 in arm bracers
- 2 at the hips
- 2 on each tactical thigh sheath
- 1 in each boot
....see, all you can carry weapons of mass slaughter
....equal to a 16 round clip
---if you can throw straight
....and if the other person is helpful enough to not move
....and so very useful in those dark tunnels that most people use each day of their lives



Or maybe they could even parcel out a whole new regiment - just for the knife throwers. You know, like the Space Force. They could have uniforms fitted with all those sheathes, and maybe even a patch with their own insignia. And their insignia could be like a hand holding a bunch of knives.

I think we’re really on to something here.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 05:44 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Yeah, but you see those long, impressive-looking contraptions that on which the bayonets are fastened? Well, those are rifles. They fire bullets. They are the PRIMARY weapons of every ground soldier in our military. Primary. That means first and foremost. They practice long and hard to become proficient with their rifles. They have to re-qualify with them regularly to make sure they can shoot someone at several distances, while aiming from several different body positions. They train with bayonets a fraction of that time, and they don’t have to Re-qualify with them.

That's because rifles have a longer range than knives. Shocked

But if it were up to me I'd have infantry soldiers requalify with the bayonet as well.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 05:50 pm
True story:
The first day we had to train with bayonets, this is a little call-and-response that the drill sergeants taught us...

DS: What’s the spirit of the bayonet?

Soldiers, in unison, at the top of their lungs: Kill! Kill! Kill!!!

DS: What makes the green grass grow?

Soldiers: Blood! Blood! Blood!!!

I found that when we chanted that catchy refrain, it set the tone nicely for the days activities of stabbing dummies and battering one another with pugil sticks.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 06:18 pm
@snood,
Yeah, I fired my '16 or '60 either offensively or defensively at the enemy more than 100, maybe 150 times while in Nam. Neither weapon ever jammed due the lack of cleaning.

When I checked my equipment in before leaving for the "World", I couldn't get my bayonet out of its scabbard. It had " rusted in". I felt a little guilty but, no one was going to tell me to drop and give them a hun-durd!

snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 06:25 pm
@BillW,
Wow I bet not many could say that - M16s (and M14s until they were replaced in 67) were famous for jamming. You must have maintained your weapons well.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 06:32 pm
@snood,
I was carrying the machine gun for most of 6 months and they are famous for getting jammed on dust. I was always running a cleaning rod down them at odd times.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 06:43 pm
@BillW,
Didn’t you take turns humping that 60? That thing is not light.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 07:02 pm
@snood,
Nope, carried it everywhere I went. Worst day was when we walked for.about 3 or 4 hours through a swamp. They called a rest period about half way through - all we could do was just stand in place holding everything we got.

Another day around the same time, we had to march over the top of Nui Ba Ra (White Virgin Mountain) near Song Be without stopping or slowing down; a rather fast march. We thought that maybe there was some kind of contest all the top Brigade officers were having between Battalion officers with their companies.

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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2021 07:12 pm
@BillW,
Carrying the 60 was nothing compared to what 'E' company had to do. They were our heavy weapons company. They carried either an 88mm mortar or a 90mm recoilless rifle. Besides being heavy (both weapon and ammo), they had to be put "together" before you could use them. No instantly firing them; and, basically useless in individual combat. Quick fire, forget it!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2021 07:24 pm
Is the move to reform the police stalled? I know they recently allocated more money for policing.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2021 08:28 pm
@snood,
I am pretty sure the Army no longer trains with bayonets. I don't believe my son (who served recently on Afghanistan) ever used one.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2021 09:04 pm
@maxdancona,
They should do so. Just in case. IMO.

Maybe it is a one in a million situation where such training will be needed these days. But one in a million situations do happen on rare occasions. And what harm would it do to give soldiers a bit of rudimentary training just in case?

I'm not suggesting that we train them to such an extent that other training suffers or anything like that.
 

 
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