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How stupid is Trump?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 04:54 pm
https://i.imgur.com/7mfAQSu.jpeg
snood
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 05:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/7mfAQSu.jpeg
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Builder
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 05:49 pm
Just prevent Trump from running.
You can still call it democratic process, right?

In your puerile minds, it might well be.
Builder
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 06:18 pm
@Builder,
Trudeau's "edict" appears to have shut down Canada's major banks.

Get ready for a bank run in the US of A, considering the building ranks of truckers intending to boycott the mandates there.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 06:19 pm

here we go...

Trump and family to be deposed by NY AG Letitia James, judge rules
(cnn)
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 06:34 pm
@Region Philbis,
No doubt, it starts a grain of sand at a time. Then it's an avalanche.

It will be justice served cold and heartlessly. He's running out of dodges. He's probably trying to get a deal right now for throwing his spawn under a bus even as we type.

Even Barron isn't safe.
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 07:57 pm
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


here we go...

Trump and family to be deposed by NY AG Letitia James, judge rules
(cnn)


A snip:
Quote:
Engoron also excoriated the Trump Organization for claiming that James' investigation is now moot because the former President's longtime accounting firm, MazarsUSA, recently determined that the last 10 years of financial statements it prepared were unreliable.

"The idea that an accounting firm's announcement that no one should rely on a decade's worth of financial statements it issued based on the numbers submitted by an entity somehow exonerates that entity and renders an investigation into its past practices as moot is reminiscent of Lewis Carroll ('When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said ... it means just what I chose it to mean -- neither more nor less'); George Orwell ('War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength'): and 'alternative facts,'" Engoron wrote.

"To proclaim that that Mazars' red-flag warning that the Trump financial statements are unreliable suddenly renders the OAG's longstanding investigation moot is as audacious as it is preposterous," the judge added.

hmmmmmmmmm.........
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 08:30 pm
'He's just a bad guy': Judge destroys lawyer claiming Trump is part of 'protected class'
By David Edwards
Published February 17, 2022

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Attorney Alina Habba was scolded by a judge on Thursday after she claimed that her client, former President Donald Trump, is part of a "protected class" because of his Republican ideology.

During a court hearing in New York, Trump attorneys tried to convince state Supreme Court Judge Arthur F. Engoron that members of the Trump family could not be subpoenaed in connection with allegations that their company illegally manipulated property valuations.

Habba told Engoron that Attorney General Letitia James is conducting an improper investigation into Trump because she does not like him.

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-protected-class/

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The judge's clerk stopped Habbo to point out that term "protected class" is usually reserved for race, religion and sex discrimination.

"The traditional protected classes are race, religion, etc.," Engoron agreed. "Donald Trump doesn't fit that model. He's not being discriminated against based on race, is he? Or religion, is he? He's not a protected class. If Ms. James has a thing against him, OK, that's not in my understanding unlawful discrimination. He's just a bad guy she should go after as the chief law enforcement officer of the state."
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 04:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
He's running out of dodges


You've got no idea what's coming for Obama and Clinton, right?

hightor
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 05:02 am
HCR wrote:
Today, Judge Arthur F. Engoron of the Supreme Court of the State of New York ruled that former president Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr., and his daughter Ivanka Trump must produce documents and testify under oath in a civil investigation into their valuations of their business assets, complying with a subpoena New York attorney general Letitia James issued for their testimony in December.

The Trumps can invoke their rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution not to incriminate themselves. This is what Eric Trump did more than 500 times in October 2020, when he testified before members of the attorney general’s office. In a civil trial, however, invoking the Fifth can be interpreted negatively.

After the decision, James tweeted: “No one is above the law.”

The Trumps intend to appeal.

The arguments in today’s hearing raised a troubling point. Trump sued Attorney General James last December, alleging that “[h]er mission is guided solely by political animus and a desire to harass, intimidate, and retaliate against a private citizen who she views as a political opponent.” In today’s hearing, Trump’s lawyers continually portrayed James’s investigation not as a valid exercise in protecting the rule of law, but as a political attack on Trump. His lawyers argued that James’s investigation is “selective prosecution” and is “unconstitutional,” and that she is pursuing the case only to hurt the former president before the 2024 election.

The judge rejected these claims, pointing out, among other things, that none of the 600 or more documents in the case refer to Trump’s politics; they focus on his financial practices. “In the final analysis,” the judge wrote, “a State Attorney General commences investigating a business entity, uncovers copious evidence of possible financial fraud, and wants to question, under oath, several of the entities’ principals, including its namesake. She has the clear right to do so.”

Trump’s attempt to portray as political any legal reckoning for him for potential wrongdoing with regard to his finances dovetails with the attempt of Trump and his loyalists to paint the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol as partisan.

Repeatedly, they have called the committee “illegitimate” because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) did not put on it the members House minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) nominated. She had the right to review his nominations, and she rejected Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH), who has now been implicated in the events of the day, and Representative Jim Banks (R-IN), who had attacked the committee as a partisan exercise “solely to malign conservatives and to justify the left’s authoritarian agenda.” He announced that he would use his place on the committee to investigate the protests of summer 2020 instead of the events of January 6.

After rejecting Jordan and Banks, Pelosi asked McCarthy to nominate others in their place, but instead he withdrew all the Republicans from the committee. At that point, she invited Representatives Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) to join the committee. Although Trump Republicans are portraying Cheney as a turncoat, she voted with Trump’s agenda 92.9% of the time. Kinzinger voted with Trump 90.2% of the time.

Nonetheless, Trump loyalists dismiss the two Republicans on the committee and claim the committee is partisan. Some are talking about turning the committee against the Democrats as soon as the House is back in their hands. Former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich told the Fox News Channel: “I think when you have a Republican Congress, this is all going to come crashing down, and the wolves are going to find out that they’re now sheep and they’re the ones who are in fact, I think, fac[ing] a real risk of jail for the kinds of laws they’re breaking.”

Representative Jamie Raskin (D-MD), a constitutional law professor and member of the January 6th committee, noted: “That’s the language of authoritarianism.”

Meanwhile, in an unusual move against an incumbent of his own party, House Minority Leader McCarthy has endorsed the Trump-backed primary opponent of Representative Liz Cheney, who is the vice chair of the January 6th committee. Trump and his allies are working this same game, pressing Wyoming’s Republican governor, Mark Gordon, to back a bill that would change state law to prevent Democrats from voting in the Republican primary, thus likely giving a primary victory to Cheney’s opponent. Although Cheney has said she will not encourage Democrats to support her in the primary, the Trump loyalists are prepared to change the law to put a Trump ally in her place.

Tonight, Trump lashed out about the legal developments of the past few days. He insisted that the suggestion by Special Counsel John Durham that operatives for Hillary Clinton spied on Trump as president—a suggestion Durham backed away from today—and Judge Engoron’s decision today were entirely partisan.

Trump claimed that Clinton, “one of the most corrupt politicians ever to run for President, can break into the White House, my apartment, buildings I own, and my campaign—in other words, she can spy on a Presidential candidate and ultimately the President of the United States—and the now totally discredited Fake News Media does everything they can not to talk about it.” (These allegations are false, of course.) On the other hand, he said, Attorney General James is selectively prosecuting him and his family.

“[T]he Radical Left Democrats don’t want [him] to run again,” he wrote, and their targeting of him “represents an unconstitutional attack on our Country… a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt in history.” Finally, he said, “I can’t get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary. It is not possible.”

There is a dangerous theme running through these stories, as well as Trump’s attack on Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, who is investigating Trump’s attempt to pressure Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia and award that state’s electoral votes to him, rather than to the actual winner, Joe Biden. Earlier this month, Trump told attendees at a rally in Texas that he hoped they would take to the streets with “the biggest protest we have ever had,” if “these radical, vicious racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal.”

Trump and his loyalists are setting up the idea that any attempt to hold Trump and his allies accountable for illegal activities—including the attempt to overturn the 2020 election and thereby destroy our democracy—is a partisan attack. While that argument will undermine the rule of law, there is a twist to it: if Republicans can convince their voters that Democrats have engaged in partisan prosecutions of Trump and his allies, the Republicans can justify partisan prosecutions of Democrats as soon as they get the opportunity, just as Gingrich suggested. If this rhetoric works, Trump can undercut legitimate prosecutions, while Democrats will become fair game for partisan prosecutors.

This is indeed, as Representative Raskin said, the language of authoritarianism.

substack
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 05:09 am
@hightor,
Quote:
The Trumps intend to appeal.


Clinton just burned all the evidence, so what's the difference here?

The thread should be called;

How stupid are the few Trump haters left on this dumb thread?
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 05:54 am
@Builder,
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Clinton just burned all the evidence...

Um, what are you talking about? Assuming there even is any, exactly how does anyone "burn" electronic evidence?
Quote:
...so what's the difference here?

The difference, since you didn't notice, is that a judge is compelling the Trumps to produce documents and testify under oath in a civil investigation into their valuations of their business assets. It's really telling that you need to have that pointed out to you.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 07:31 am
@Builder,
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How stupid are the few Trump haters left on this dumb thread?


However stupid, not as stupid as an Australian Trump humper.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 07:35 am
@Builder,
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You've got no idea what's coming for Obama and Clinton, right?


Praise and honors.

You do know prison orange will make 45 look even more corrupt and evil? And his hands even tinier.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 07:51 am
@bobsal u1553115,
When David Icke kicks off the rapture Builder will be getting his own dunny.

What do you think the Clintons will be saying about that?

I bet it's not bonza.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 08:06 am
When I saw the first of the onslaught of tweets about “putting Hillary in jail”, I actually thought it was just a joke by a person on the left. Just a joke, with the punchline being that the republicans have so little to stand on that they have to go straight back to Hillary’s emails or Hunter Biden’s whatever.

Then, after a day of all “her emails” all the time on Faux, it dawned on me that these crazy, feckless fuckers are serious - this is what they’ve got.

It’s such a transparently desperate dodge. The fact that this is the best they could come up with now would really make you feel sorry for republicans- if they weren’t such slimy worms.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 09:11 am
@snood,
I have that dream all day every day. It's coming.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 09:23 am
@Builder,
These is the assholes you think so highly of:

The 'Patriot Journalist'
Luke Rudkowski,

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/meet-patriots

Luke Rudkowski dislikes the phrase "conspiracy theory." He prefers to think of his organization as a movement of truth-seeking activists who are simply asking the hard questions that aren't being posed by mainstream journalists.

Nevertheless, the founder of We Are Change has tapped into a deep vein of suspicion among Americans who see dark conspiracies being hatched inside the federal government. He has harnessed the energy of 9/11 "truthers" to form an army of activists seeking to expose "the lies of the government and corporate elite who remain suspect in this crime."

Since he formed We Are Change as a group of "patriot journalists" in 2006, the loose-knit group has grown into a network of more than 200 independent chapters, mostly in the United States. Finding the "truth" behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks is a driving force — as are concerns about a looming "one world order," according to the group's website. It also seeks "to uncover the truth behind the private banking cartel of the military industrial complex" that wants to "eliminate national sovereignty."

Rudkowski said the group doesn't engage in broad New World Order conspiracies but focuses on the alleged role of groups such as the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission. These groups have been common targets for Patriot and other conspiracy theorists for decades.

We Are Change videographers have confronted political figures such as Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. When video surfaced of U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah telling a We Are Change interviewer there's "a lot we still need to learn" about the 2001 terrorist attacks, the congressman felt constrained to issue a statement disavowing any belief in a government conspiracy.

Rudkowski, whose group explicitly condemns violence and racism, said he was arrested last year for trespassing during an attempt to question New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg about the health care of 9/11 first responders. He said he is fighting the charge, saying he was targeted and never told to leave.

"I see a huge uprising right now of people waking up every single day," Rudkowski said in an interview posted on YouTube last year.

Militia Midwife?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 09:27 am
@izzythepush,
Rather be a Clinton or an Obama than a Ozzie Trumpist. In the scheme of things, builder has no real foundations.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2022 05:01 pm
Trump asks federal judge to toss Jan. 6 lawsuits

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-asks-federal-judge-toss-jan-6-lawsuits-n1287258

"What do I do about those facts that he doesn't do anything for about two hours to tell people to stand down and leave the Capitol?" the judge asked the former president's lawyers.


Lawyers for Trump argued Monday that lawsuits filed against him have failed to establish that he was involved in any conspiracy to storm the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Jan. 10, 2022, 3:30 PM CST
By Pete Williams

Lawyers for former President Donald Trump urged a federal judge Monday to dismiss lawsuits accusing him of conspiring with two far-right extremist groups and others to block the presidential vote count.

U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta questioned lawyers for both sides, but his most probing comments were directed at members of the Trump legal team, and the judge showed no sign that he was prepared to immediately dismiss the suits.

The first lawsuit over the Capitol riot to name the former president, filed 11 months ago by House Democrats, said the attempted insurrection was "the intended and foreseeable culmination of a carefully coordinated campaign to interfere with the legal process required to confirm the tally of votes cast in the Electoral College."
NAACP, Rep. Thompson sue Trump and Giuliani over Capitol riot
Feb. 16, 202101:14

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., was originally the lead plaintiff but withdrew from the case after he became chairman of the House committee investigating the riots. Ten House Democrats remain on the suit.

Monday's hearing involved that case and two others, brought by Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., and two U.S. Capitol police officers. Three other civil lawsuits brought by police officers make similar allegations.

The suits allege that by repeatedly claiming the election was stolen, Trump and his then-personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani mobilized supporters and backed armed protest, rejecting pleas to cool down the rhetoric. At the rally near the White House on Jan. 6, the two "began stoking the crowd's anger and urging them to take action to forcibly seize control of the process for counting and approving the Electoral College ballots," the suit filed by House Democrats said.

Trump's lawyers urged the judge to throw the cases out, arguing that Trump was acting in his official capacity in urging Congress not to declare Joe Biden the winner of the election, that he did not incite people at a Jan. 6 rally to violence, and that his statements were protected expression under the First Amendment.

Jesse Binnall, a lawyer for the former president, said Trump has absolute immunity from civil lawsuits over his official actions while in office, so he was free as president to advocate for Congress to take action favorable to him in counting the electoral vote, just as he was free to push Congress to pass bills he supported.
Two Capitol police officers sue Trump for injuries in mob riot
March 31, 202103:00

Binnall said the court cannot weigh the words the president spoke at the rally, because part of any president's duty is making public speeches.

Mehta suggested that went too far. "A president would have immunity for any statement made to the American people, even if it had nothing to do with a president's duties?"


But he also said a president has wide latitude to make political statements, and Trump's comments at the Ellipse may have had some connection to his official duties. "Where would you have a court draw the line?" Mehta asked a lawyer representing the House Democrats.

Trump's lawyers also said the lawsuits failed to establish that he was involved in any conspiracy to storm the Capitol.

"A conspiracy has to be established before the rioters arrived, and there's no evidence that there was any communication beforehand," Binnall said.

Mehta questioned that position, too. "The president invited people to the Ellipse," he said. "The plaintiffs contend he further encouraged them to march to the Capitol and take it by force, and people accepted that. So that's not enough to establish a conspiracy?"

Binnall said none of the president's comments after the rally indicated that he supported what the rioters did. But the judge asked, "What do I do about the fact that the president didn't denounce the conduct immediately and in fact sent a tweet that arguably exacerbated things, to the extent anybody saw it who was inside the Capitol.

"What do I do about those facts that he doesn't do anything for about two hours to tell people to stand down and leave the Capitol?" he continued. "Isn't that enough to at least plausibly infer that the president agreed with the conduct of the people who were in the Capitol that day?"
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