Joe Biden SHOULD pardon Trump!

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I heard him ask the Georgia Sec. of State to "find" ballots to overturn election results and threat him with legal action if he refused. I don't know if that's illegal but it should be. I don't know what the specific law is. That's a job for the prosecutors.

How does asking for 11,000 cases of cheating to be found constitute a crime?

Oh, yeah, find me a "threat" in that transcript.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk.

It’s called sealioning, it’s a popular tactic of the far right, getting you to run around wasting time finding proof for things that are already well established facts, only for them to question the source.

...a long list of specific forms of fraud which he believes occurred...

Being both the grantee and the recipient of a pardon accentuates the guilt of the individual. Trump would effectively be announcing that he has engaged in acts that might expose him to criminal prosecution (thus alleging his own guilt); by then accepting the pardon, he would thus, to some degree, be admitting his own allegation. In pleading the pardon to the court, in other words, he would be boasting of his guilt.

All of which had been previously investigated or otherwise explained. The votes had been verified by the secretary of state and that's where it ends. The president, in a federal office, doesn't get to demand the count be changed because he's too stupid to understand exculpatory evidence or too stubborn to accept defeat.

So, back to my question, what laws do you think Trump might be worried about being prosecuted for? And, as he's discussing pardons here as well, what laws do you think his family and Giuliani may have broken?

...So, back to my question, what laws do you think Trump might be worried about being prosecuted for? And, as he's discussing pardons here as well, what laws do you think his family and Giuliani may have broken?

You didn't answer me. Are you running away?

You said, "Trump will always be associated with insurrection."

I asked, "How will Trump be associated with insurrection?"

I don't think he's broken any laws.

Brandon9000 wrote:

You didn't answer me. Are you running away?

You said, "Trump will always be associated with insurrection."

I asked, "How will Trump be associated with insurrection?"

I am not running away. I am getting bored.

But if you want to call that "running away", that's fine with me.

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I don't think he's broken any laws.

I demand that you answer the question I put to you or leave the debate.

Since he's considering a self pardon, "what laws do you think Trump might be worried about being prosecuted for?"

You keep saying he's innocent. I demand to know what you think he's innocent of.

maxdancona wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

You didn't answer me. Are you running away?

You said, "Trump will always be associated with insurrection."

I asked, "How will Trump be associated with insurrection?"

I am not running away. I am getting bored.

But if you want to call that "running away", that's fine with me.

Okay, you're not running away. So, how will Trump be "associated with insurrection?"

Yawn

maxdancona wrote:

Yawn

Translation: You cannot back up the assertion that Trump will be associated with insurrection, but lack the integrity to admit it when you're wrong.

Brandon9000 wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

Yawn

Translation: You cannot back up the assertion that Trump will be associated with insurrection, but lack the integrity to admit it when you're wrong.

Exactly. (Actually, this little quibble is amusing me)

My position can defend itself, or not. We will see what happens to Trump's approval rating.