How much Damage will Trump do? And When will Republicans stand up to him.

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This thread assumes that you accept that Biden won the election legitimately. Right now, there is No legitimate evidence of widespread fraud even though the Trump people keep attacking the legitimacy of our democracy. (For the record, I accept that Trump has the "right" to take American democracy to court.... that doesn't make it a good thing to do.)

If you don't accept this premise, than this thread isn't for you. I will say "Hi" and ignore the rest of your post... and I would ask that people respond in the other threads.
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Trump is doing the following thing that will damage the country....

1) He is hurting the the ability of the next president to come up to speed on national security. By denying Biden the ability to read intelligence reports and build a national security team, he degrades the ability of the country to respond quickly to international threats.

2) He is disrupting the civilian leadership of the military. He is forcing career service members to resign. He is firing important leaders and is installing people who serve his political needs.

3) He is causing division in the American people. Even if he really did win... he should be working to heal the wounds and bring Americans together. Instead he is attacking Americans and amplifying fear, suspicion and anger.

4) He is attacking the core institutions of American democracy. He is attacking the press. He is attacking civil servants. He is attacking state leadership (even when the state is Republican).

At some point, Republicans are going to have to take a stand against Trump. Trump is hurting the country, and if you truly put America first, over party, you will tell Trump to stop.

Hopefully, by next week, this will happen.

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When Nixon had to go.... what I think happened is that the Republican leadership went to him behind closed doors and told him the truth. Nixon resigned in order to spare himself a public humiliation where he would have been opposed by his own party.

I assume that is happening now. McConnell doesn't want to have to stand up to Trump.

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@maxdancona,

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How much Damage will Trump do?

As much as he possibly can...and I acknowledge that is considerable.

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And When will Republicans stand up to him.

For most...NEVER. For a few...they probably already have.

Any who have not by this point probably don't have enough spine ever to do it.

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@maxdancona,

You guys have spent 4 years denying the 2016 election results, you guys can wait a couple weeks now. Just deal with the fact that Trump is still president until January at the very least.

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@McGentrix,

That's bullshit McGentrix.

Hillary conceded on November 9th when the media had made it clear that she had lost. At that point president elect Trump had access to intelligence briefings. Obama invited him to the White House. The Obama administration fully cooperated with the transition.

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@maxdancona,

McGentrix said:

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You guys have spent 4 years denying the 2016 election results

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That's bullshit McGentrix.

Actually, that's factually accurate as evidenced by this entire website over the past 4 years. McGentrix didn't go far enough, because he didn't mention all the violent lunacy from the leftists for four years as a direct result of not accepting the results of the 2016 election.

Max, how do you feel about the democrats keeping blacklists of people who supported Trump as retaliation for supporting him? Do you think that isn't "damaging the country"?

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@FreedomEyeLove,

Can you prove your last paragraph? There i go again, asking a bugfuck crazy man to prove his opinion as fact. No chance.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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Actually, that's factually accurate as evidenced by this entire website over the past 4 years. McGentrix didn't go far enough, because he didn't mention all the violent lunacy from the leftists for four years as a direct result of not accepting the results of the 2016 election.

Max, how do you feel about the democrats keeping blacklists of people who supported Trump as retaliation for supporting him? Do you think that isn't "damaging the country"?

What is your source to back-up each of these claims you are asserting?

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@maxdancona,

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Hillary conceded on November 9th when the media had made it clear that she had lost. At that point president elect Trump had access to intelligence briefings. Obama invited him to the White House. The Obama administration fully cooperated with the transition.

1. Thank you very much for posting this.
2. I agree with your post.

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You guys don't know about AOC's blacklist? Seriously?

Are you guys a couple of cog's?

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@maxdancona,

Trump won because he isn't Hillary. I got some bad news for you sunshine, he's still not Hillary.

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@McGentrix,

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Trump won because he isn't Hillary. I got some bad news for you sunshine, he's still not Hillary.

And Biden won because he isn't Trump

Sorry, I couldn't help saying that.

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@roger,

Probably, but not yet.

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@McGentrix,

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You guys have spent 4 years denying the 2016 election results, you guys can wait a couple weeks now.

1. Who is denying the 2016 election results?

2. Yes, it is widely believed that one of the reasons Trump won in 2016 was due to Russia interfering to help Trump win in 2016.
3. There is also plenty of evidence supporting the fact that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump.
4. It is also true that Hillary Clinton ran a bad campaign and made mistakes in her campaign that help caused her to lose.
5. It is also true that Trump is hated because he is a horrible and despicable person.
6. It is also true that Trump is a very corrupt president.
7. It is also true that Trump is a very racist person.
8. It is also true that Trump don't give a damn about anybody but himself.
9. It is also true that Trump is a habitual pathological liar.
10. It is also true that Trump admires dictators and strives to be a dictator himself.
11. It is also true that Trump genuinely don't give a damn about the United States Constitution.
12. With all of that being said, we never denied that he was the president.
13. Although we genuinely despised Trump, we never denied that he was the president.
14. Even though Trump was and still is a lying, no good, piece of ****, we never denied that Trump was the president.

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Just deal with the fact that Trump is still president until January at the very least.

Everyone already knows that.
The real question is does Trump know that?
Does Trump know that his presidency will be ending in January?

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@Real Music,

ok, Cog.

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@roger,

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And Biden won because he isn't Trump

1. Yes indeed.
2. That is so true.

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This thread is about how Trump's behavior is threatening to hurt the country. I have no problem criticizing my own side, including the extremism coming from the left. This thread isn't about that.

Very soon, Trump's refusal to accept the reality of election results starts to do real damage (if it hasn't already). At some point, Republicans are going to have to stand up to Trump and tell him that his ego is not as important as the good of the country.

Does this mean that the left doesn't have its extremists? Of course not. One truth doesn't negate another.

But Trump is president. He has a special responsibility to put the country first, and a unique ability to do real damage if he doesn't.

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3) He is causing division in the American people. Even if he really did win... he should be working to heal the wounds and bring Americans together. Instead he is attacking Americans and amplifying fear, suspicion and anger.

After four years of the left doing this, it's perfectly fair for the right to do it back to them.

maxdancona wrote:

At some point, Republicans are going to have to take a stand against Trump.

No they aren't. They are perfectly free to continue supporting Mr. Trump.

maxdancona wrote:

Trump is hurting the country, and if you truly put America first, over party, you will tell Trump to stop.

The best thing that I can do for my country is oppose the progressive menace. By supporting Mr. Trump, I am doing that.

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@maxdancona,

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When Nixon had to go.... what I think happened is that the Republican leadership went to him behind closed doors and told him the truth. Nixon resigned in order to spare himself a public humiliation where he would have been opposed by his own party.
I assume that is happening now. McConnell doesn't want to have to stand up to Trump.

The Republicans were gullible and naive back then. They know better now.

Besides which, with Democrats blacklisting Republicans from all private employment when they try to leave the Trump Administration, it seems likely that Republicans will have to stick with Mr. Trump even if they might have been inclined to abandon him.

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@maxdancona,

Standing up against a pervert like Biden is as American as Apple Pie. It's a sad state of affairs when a pedophile gets to be placed in such a position. Trump is being Trump and if he actually loses the election fairly, then I might say something.

Right now, the hypocrisy being shown by the left in America is devastatingly ridiculous. Their guy "won" so the elections must have been fair... Rolling Eyes

Had Trump "won" there would be riots in the streets and cities burning and you know that. If you don't know that, then there isn't much room for discussion here. Instead, we have some court battles ahead for a couple weeks.

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