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Turtle vs rabbit

 
 
Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2020 04:37 pm

Piggy recalls that he was taught the story of “turtle – rabbit race” in school once upon a time. For more than three decades, it sounds reasonable.
About one months ago, a first rated American technician told piggy: “…the education system is designed to keep you dumb…” Piggy laughed all day.
Actually, the story of “turtle – rabbit race” was a fake philosophy which was artificially designed by people. View from the angle of nature itself, the turtle and the rabbit are just two different kinds of natural species. The turtle is not interested in the rabbit and the rabbit is not interest in the turtle either.
In fact, the pig has more common habits with the rabbit.
Piggy’s humble opinion is that if some old stuff / models in textbook are outdated, they should be removed and the textbook should be updated. The best teacher should be the one who can teach students how to think.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2020 05:19 pm
@htam9876,
I disagree with the very premise.

The American education system has been a spectacular success through centuries. It fueled the innovation behind industrial revolution, the electrification, the automotive industry, flight, transistors, the moon landings, the information age.

I accept the argument that the American education system fails in fairness. But, our education system has never failed to produce innovators, creators, pioneers as well as the doctors, scientists, technicians and writers who support them.

maiden-usa
 
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Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2020 06:17 pm
@htam9876,
Your education system failed you for sure. They never taught you what a parable was.
htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 02:20 am
@maxdancona,
Piggy agrees with your comment of “The American education system has been a spectacular success through centuries. It fueled the innovation behind industrial revolution, the electrification, the automotive industry, flight, transistors, the moon landings, the information age.
…our education system has never failed to produce innovators, creators, pioneers as well as the doctors, scientists, technicians and writers...” very much.
Recently, piggy often contemplates in dream how to become invisible and sneak onto a flight and flee to America…
By the way, history is heading to the era of anti matter, dark matter, etc…
他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁打靶就二十一世纪绝对全世界第一。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
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htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 02:21 am
@maiden-usa,
Piggy agrees with your comment of “Your education system failed you for sure” more or less. We had to do too much homework and consume too much time and energy repeating the exercises. Some guys even were in very bad health when they entered university. Those energy and time should be spent on exploring new knowledge or thinking.
About ten years ago, piggy met a former classmate of university. We left school so many years and we still liked to talk something fun in school: we were told that when Newton doing research, he was used to forget sleeping and even eating…Isn’t such kind of education equaling to push students to hell???...How many Newtons can be generated from one billion students?... We laughed quite a while.
他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁打靶就二十一世纪绝对全世界第一。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵

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Teufel
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 03:45 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
The American education system has been a spectacular success through centuries.


Has it? Or indeed has most of the 'successes' which the US likes to claim were actually the result of immigrants and the education systems of their country of origin.

The Manhattan project springs readily to mind as just one glaring example.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 05:05 am
@Teufel,
Manhattan Project?

The Manhattan project had mainly American scientists and engineers and technicians. It was led by Robert Oppenheimer (American born and educated). Yes, there were prominent scientists that were imported from Europe specifically for the project... Bohr, Fermi and Szilard were obvious important, and were recruited specifically for their brilliance.

But look at the list. Of the top scientists specifically gathered from around the world to work on the most important scientific project of the day, the majority were born and educated in the United States. Feynmann, Lawrance, Seaborg... the United States has always had more than its share of great Physicists and mathematicians. Not only that, underneath these top minds, the brilliant scientists and technicians and designers and coders and mathematicians who did the grunt work were almost all born and educated as Americans.

Sure, our ability to attract and steal the greatest minds as immigrants is also pretty cool. But, that is another thing altogether.

There was no other country in the world that could have put together the Manhattan project... and the American education system that provided the skilled workforce needed was a big part of that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 05:15 am
@maxdancona,
If that were true America would be the only nuclear power. It certainly makes tiny countries like France and the UK impressive for getting it so soon after America. The USSR did pretty well too.

I’ve gone to college with American exchange students. Third year students were put in with Freshers and even then they had trouble keeping up.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 05:40 am
@izzythepush,


Quote:
First we got the bomb and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K.,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way!
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side, I believe.
China got the bomb, but have no fears;
They can't wipe us out for at least five years!
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white!
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one, too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense,
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd, " says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb!
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go
And, who knows, maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb!
Who's next, who's next, who's next?
Who's next?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 05:44 am
@izzythepush,
When is the last time something important has been first invented in the UK. The steam engine? The UK mostly imitates the US these days (albeit with a cool accent) in everything from music to technology.

I do like Walker's crisps.... the way they put lamb and mint jelly in a fried potato is pretty cool.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 05:47 am
@maxdancona,
Google Tim Berners Lee.

You are so incredibly ignorant.

A living metaphor of the American education system.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 12:43 pm
@izzythepush,
I will give you Tim Berners Lee. He invented the first browser and the first http server. Although everything he did was based on work done by Americans (TCP, SGML, Hyperlinks).

He is kind of the Beatles of computer science... taking something inherently American and building on it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 12:46 pm
@maxdancona,
You might want to look up who invented the first computer, Colossus.

You don’t have to give me anything, the facts speak for themselves. American University students are two years behind their European peers.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 12:53 pm
@izzythepush,
The Colsossus was based on the ENIAC. England borrowed heavily from work being done in the United States.

The innovation was American. England benefited from it.

It was just one of the ways we helped save your butts in WWII at the time...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 12:55 pm
@maxdancona,
What a cop out.

You didn’t save anyone’s butts. You were attacked by Japan.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 12:55 pm
@maxdancona,
I will also give you Turing... he was brilliant.

But then you went and castrated him.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 01:06 pm
@maxdancona,
Would he have fared any better in America?

Your laws were every bit as discriminatory.

I’ve had this conversation before with BillRM, it was every bit as tedious then.
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htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 02:26 pm
@Teufel,
Piggy thinks that nobody can deny the historical contributions of the European immigrants. The British brought the democratic and scientific spirit to American continent. That forged the base of strong development of America in the past centuries. The fun was that British gentleman evolved into American cowboy there.
If the local dark lords of the Jiangmen city were the first lot of immigrants to American continent, the situation now might be totally different…
他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁打靶就二十一世纪绝对全世界第一。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 02:33 pm
@maxdancona,
Oh, dear, Piggy agrees with your comment of “Sure, our ability to attract and steal the greatest minds as immigrants is also pretty cool” very much. Attraction of talents from worldwide might be a great successful strategy as well as a special advantage of America.

他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁打靶就二十一世纪绝对全世界第一。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
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htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 10 Sep, 2020 02:41 pm
@izzythepush,
“…You are so incredibly ignorant.

A living metaphor of the American education system.”

British gentleman vs American cowboy. Haha…
 

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