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Beyond Desires

 
 
muo
 
Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 01:50 pm
what do you think about the topic "Beyond Desire", what arguments and philosophers besides Lacan and Freud can be considerable ?
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knaivete
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 07:22 pm
@muo,
It took Knaïveté to mutter the immortal musing, beyond desire lies need.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2020 01:15 am
@muo,
I wouldn’t waste my time with Lacan. Try Barthes’ Fragments instead.
muo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 02:09 am
@Olivier5,
Thank you, i'll check it.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 02:40 am
It's a unique piece of work, an honest exploration of love from the inside. A philosophical struggle with it. In short love is perhaps a fiction constructed by the subject, but one that the subject is unable to control. There is a constant tension between expectations, realization, and memorialization. E.g. from a random quote site:

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Am I in love? --yes, since I am waiting. The other one never waits. Sometimes I want to play the part of the one who doesn't wait; I try to busy myself elsewhere, to arrive late; but I always lose at this game. Whatever I do, I find myself there, with nothing to do, punctual, even ahead of time. The lover's fatal identity is precisely this: I am the one who waits.


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The gesture of the amorous embrace seems to fulfill, for a time, the subject's dream of total union with the loved one: The longing for consummation with the other... In this moment, everything is suspended: time, law, prohibition: nothing is exhausted, nothing is wanted: all desires are abolished, for they seem definitively fulfilled... A moment of affirmation; for a certain time, though a finite one, a deranged interval, something has been successful: I have been fulfilled (all my desires abolished by the plenitude of their satisfaction).

-- Roland Barthes, A Lover's Discourse: Fragments
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mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 06:55 am
@muo,
Buddha - "Existence is Suffering" - "The Cause of which, is Desire".

Freudian psychoanalysis is Based on 'FREUD' and His 'comparitive' analysis of 'comparative' reality.

Lacan - Likewise.

ALL DESIRE is EGO.

Have a Lovely Day
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 01:16 pm
@muo,
Freud once divined in his theory that "to go beyond desire, one must do one's own homework."
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2020 08:39 am
@tsarstepan,
'To go beyond desire'?

I would not accept Freuds' premise as logical, let alone functional.
Here's why.

'Desire/self-satisfaction/indulgence...etc = EGO-CONSTRUCTIVE'.
To go 'beyond' which - Is to 'Extend' the parameters thereof.

ELIMINATION of Ego is the Only logical 'path'

Have a Lovely Day
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