Is Minneapolis in a state of emergency ?

@maxdancona,

The thing is you constantly feel the need to point out who you agree with and who you disagree with.

Nobody else is doing that.

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@izzythepush,

I tend to speak up when I disagree with someone.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Come on let not be so silly as to be insulting the man used his knee with his body mass on the guy neck.

There is a way that can be used to subdue someone.

He clearly did not do it correctly. But did he know that he wasn't doing it correctly?

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@oralloy,

You are being silly to the point of being insulting.

If someone put their knee on your neck to subdue you, and then put the full force of their weight so you couldn't breath, would that be OK?

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@maxdancona,

What I said is true. There is a proper way to do this to subdue someone.

It is likely that he did not realize that he was doing it wrong.

There is a reason why he is only being charged with third degree murder (no malice or intent).

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The accusation of racism comes from this.

- You accept that these things happen to "racial minorities".
- You would never accept that these things would happen to yourself or people who look like you.

I think in this case, the term "racism" is appropriate because your judgement is based on the race of those involved.

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@maxdancona,

My judgement is based on the behavior of those involved.

The fact that those involved behave poorly is nothing to do with me.

Do you notice your inability to point out anything untrue in my posts?

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@oralloy,

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My judgement is based on the behavior of those involved.

1. You seem to judge the behavior of black people differently because they are black. If you look at your own posts, you can see why I believe this is the case.

2. Your facts are wrong because they are "cherry-picked". You are only posting the facts that support your prejudice and you are ignoring the facts that contradict it. That is why they are untrue.

A Black man is far more likely to die in police custody than a White man. That is a fact. If you are saying that Black men are more likely to "behave" in a way to get them killed (when it is the police that have the guns).... that is where you are being silly.

It is also a fact that Police are supposed to do everything in their power to not kill people. When people die in their custody, the police have done something wrong.

It is a fact that what this Police officer did to kill the person in his custody was not only unnecessary, it is specifically forbidden.

It is a fact that he did it for 8 minutes. It was not a heat of the moment decision, he killed this man, begging for his life, over a long period of time.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

1. You seem to judge the behavior of black people differently because they are black. If you look at your own posts, you can see why I believe this is the case.

I do no such thing. No one can point out any examples of me doing any such thing.

maxdancona wrote:

2. Your facts are wrong because they are "cherry-picked". You are only posting the facts that support your prejudice and you are ignoring the facts that contradict it. That is why they are untrue.

No one has posted any facts that contradict what I say. If you have any such facts, feel free to post them.

No such prejudice, unless you mean my strong preference for truth and justice.

maxdancona wrote:

A Black man is far more likely to die in police custody than a White man. That is a fact. If you are saying that Black men are more likely to "behave" in a way to get them killed (when it is the police that have the guns).... that is where you are being silly.

Every case is unique and should be judged on its own merits, but there are a lot of innocent people being lynched for merely defending themselves from an attack by a black man.

Look at Rodney King, Michael Brown, and Trayvon Martin for example. Or this girl from Central Park who is being lynched for even calling 911.

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@oralloy,

Really??

Do you have any ******* idea what the word "lynched" means?

I will give you a hint.... generally the person who was "lynched" is the one who is dead.

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@maxdancona,

Yes and yes.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

It is a fact that what this Police officer did to kill the person in his custody was not only unnecessary, it is specifically forbidden.
It is a fact that he did it for 8 minutes. It was not a heat of the moment decision, he killed this man, begging for his life, over a long period of time.

He clearly didn't know what he was doing, and he definitely did it wrong, but my understanding is that there is an approved procedure that he was attempting to carry out.

It is also likely that the other officers did not realize that he was badly botching the procedure and believed that all was well.

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@BillRM,

I've been sitting here trying various ways to put my knee on a foam roller. It's really hard not to put a lot of weight on it effectively. Either I put very little or lean into it, think 100lbs. I can't imagine what having a 100lb weight on my neck with my hands tied would be like.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I will give you a hint.... generally the person who was "lynched" is the one who is dead.

Lynching refers to a hoard of people attacking someone with little regard to fairness or justice.

Many classic lynchings did involve murder, yes. But the lack of a death doesn't make present day progressive lynch mobs any less repugnant.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

maxdog wrote:

I thought so , very sad when it s about a stupidity of one man because he thought you can arrest a person like that. So the military is there .

It’s not about the stupidity of one man, it’s about a culture where police can behave with impunity.

It’s not a one off by any means, it’s the latest of a long sorry number of African Americans dying in police custody, like Michael Brown and Eric Garner.

African Americans are regularly arrested for things that white people get away with and there’s the disproportionate effect Covid 19 has on African Americans.

Either you don’t understand or appreciate what’s happening or you’re deliberately misrepresenting things.

Do you understand that organizes crime preys on vulnerable people and police attention serves as a deterrent?

If your child, niece, nephew, etc. was being friended and groomed by criminals to join their ranks, wouldn't you want the police to deter them by keeping an eye on your loved ones?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

The accusation of racism comes from this.

- You accept that these things happen to "racial minorities".
- You would never accept that these things would happen to yourself or people who look like you.

I think in this case, the term "racism" is appropriate because your judgement is based on the race of those involved.

The issue shouldn't be race but behavior. I won't watch the 'brutality porn' as I've heard it described, but if you were dealing with a white person on meth or otherwise struggling, you would apply more force - but, like I said, I haven't watched the video so he may have just been lying still and not resisting/struggling. It is sad either way, but it makes me glad I'm not a police officer because I don't think I'd be able to find the exact level of force necessary to simultaneously subdue the suspect without losing control and endangering myself and others. This doesn't mean I am defending someone who is intentionally exercising racist violence out of hate or service to organized crime or whatever, but for honest police who are trying to do their jobs, I think it is difficult to deal firmly-yet-fairly with struggling suspects of any color/size (small people can be strong too and good at wrestling, so if someone is small but on drugs where they can't just stay still, that is a very hard job to arrest them.)

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@livinglava,

Only a racist would associate being black with criminality.

I’m very fortunate not to live in America, our police are by no means perfect but they’re head and shoulders above the racist thugs in the states.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

A Black man is far more likely to die in police custody than a White man. That is a fact. If you are saying that Black men are more likely to "behave" in a way to get them killed (when it is the police that have the guns).... that is where you are being silly.

Thugs come in all colors and sizes, but I think racism makes it more likely for people to mistake a non-thuggish black youth for a thug than to mistake the same type of white person for a thug. If there are two young people, one white and one black, where both are pretending to be preppy to disguise their criminality, racism allows the preppy-looking white kid to hide his or her criminality easier than the black kid. But for honest police, once there is cause for arrest, I think they are trained to just subdue and handcuff whoever it is, but they expect them to be passive and follow instructions, so if they seem like they are a wild card and might pose a threat, the officer(s) are going to be on edge because they never know when someone is going to pull a gun or otherwise try something really crazy to make a surprise getaway.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Only a racist would associate being black with criminality.

I’m very fortunate not to live in America, our police are by no means perfect but they’re head and shoulders above the racist thugs in the states.

Well, if you've worked in less affluent areas with a higher proportion of African-Americans, then you see that there are tough kids acting 'gangsta' who are white as well as black, but there are just less whites, I think, because whites have more opportunities to move to more affluent areas. I would assume that there are organized crime/drug connections going on in middle-class and upper-class neighborhoods as well, because there's lots of money to make there; but among less-affluent young people there is a culture of showing you're tough and bad and it's too bad because even if a kid is just trying to look tough to avoid getting bullied because he looks weak or nerdy, it makes him or her appear more criminal as well. It's really not about race, though, because there are white kids who act just as tough and 'ghetto' as black kids, also because they are trying to prove themselves to peers instead of trying to act polite and focus on their future, etc. They are just kids, but you know there is organized crime out there recruiting kids to carry drug deliveries or whatever and that once they lure them in and groom them, they're going to threaten them or their families in some way to keep them submissive. That is why it's important to have police presence/attention so that the organized criminals fear detection and thus avoid the young people they would otherwise be trying to recruit with money, clothes, food, or whatever.

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@izzythepush,

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I’m very fortunate not to live in America, our police are by no means perfect but they’re head and shoulders above the racist thugs in the states.

England doesn't even allow its people to have the means to protect themselves from whatever mayhem or grief might come along including dangers from wild animals. I'll take having to deal with racism over that.

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