Was Judas a hero and most trusted disciple, or a traitor?

I don’t quite get how Judas is key to the story. (Other than to fulfill some prophecies).
In many ways Judas seems unnecessary. If Jesus was such a PITA to the religious leaders at the time, surely they wouldn’t need Judas to point him out for them.

I had intended to say the same thing (as Leadfoot) to GIA, only thought it pointless, seeing as he only sees what he wants to see.

Any of the religious leaders could have done the same (point the finger at Jesus to the Romans). They could have done so before he went into hiding, or the other options was that Jesus was to stay in hiding forever (which seems highly unlikely). Or simply for Jesus to make himself available to Gods plan to be carried out. Judas wasn't necessary to the 'God's plan'.

So if you can't get on board with the story of Jesus as a factual historical story, I would still highly recommend accepting it for the sake of spiritual salvation, because there's no other escape from sin.

If not required for god's plan, are you saying it derailed whatever god had planned?

What was god's plan then?

My opinion.
Most trusted and cherished of Immanuels' brethren.

Complied, exactly, with what was dutied unto him.
Died at Massada, btw.

In company with 'essenes' - Great Last Stand!
(If so).

Demonised by ...... you know.

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Most people see Judas as a traitor in the myth of the crucifixion.

Right off the bat, you have let me know that you don't believe the Word of God and what it teaches.

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Most are unaware of the meaning of the sop that Jesus gave to Judas at the last supper.

So you choose to believe the verse that says Jesus gave him a sop, but do not believe the verses that says:

Joh_6:70  Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

And not that verse only you don't believe but you choose to not believe this verse as well

Joh_13:2  And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

So it is apparent you pick and choose which verses in the Word of God that you will believe in and which ones you choose to ignore, make void, or interpret away.

my question to you would then be. Who made you a judge of such matters to determine which verses in the Word of God are True and which ones are false?

Scriptures plainly teach that ALL Scriptures are inspired by God, but you say what? They are NOT. So who should i believe? God who says ALL verses are inspired or you who picks and chooses which verses are inspired and which ones are not inspired by God. Trust God or trust you? Simple choice for me. It is God.

Greatest I am says "Without the betrayal, Jesus would not have died for us, as Yahweh had planned, and scriptures say that Judas also had no choice as that would have derailed god’s plan.

If any blame for Jesus’ death is to be given, it must be to Yahweh, whose plan, scriptures say must come to pass. Meaning that Yahweh would have to control all the players including Judas."

Judas freely chose to betray Jesus. God did not make him do that thing. Judas obeyed satan and what satan was whispering for him to do. Jesus, knowing this, already knew that Judas would obey satan, and indeed betray Him.
Just as you freely choose to believe this verse and ignore another, Judas had a choice, and he chose to obey satan and not Jesus. You choose to believe this verse and you freely choose to ignore other verses.

Jesus when He chose Judas, already knew that Judas would betray Him. Jesus did not desire Him to do that thing, but KNEW that he would through his own choices Choose to betray Jesus. Jesus did NOT make him, or force him, or called him to betray Him. Judas freely chose to what he did.

Greatest I am says "Was Judas a good man doing Jesus’ will or was he a traitor?"

Jesus was a wicked person who fulfilled the will of God.

God throughout the whole old Testament used wicked Heathens to fulfill His will. Even Pharaoh was a wicked person who God used, so that His Glory shall be revealed. What does Greatest I am think of Pharaoh, that he too was a good man because he fulfilled the Will of God? Pilate fulfilled the Will of God also, by crucifying the Messiah, is Pilate Heaven bound? lol.

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If not required for god's plan, are you saying it derailed whatever god had planned?

What was god's plan then?

Uh, What part of Judas wasn't necessary to 'Gods Plan' do you not understand?

Without the betrayal, Jesus would not have died for us

Did you really man Jesus in that second sentence...or was it a Freudian slip?

I believe the Jewish sop tradition. You seem not to.

I also believe the myth when it says that Satan did not enter into Judas till after he was given his mission by Jesus.

You are a literalist it seems.

Do you believe in talking serpents and donkeys and a 10 horned seven headed beast?

Read the story again and note that Satan did not enter him till after Jesus gave him his mission.

Stop lying about the sequence of events.

Pharaoh was good and was to let the people go until Yahweh hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and refused Moses.

If god had letting the people go in mind, he showed he was evil by changing Pharaoh's mind , that was to do that, and then murdering the innocent children instead of the guilty parents.

If you think that shows Yahweh's glory, your a immoral fool.

Prove me wrong.

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Re: DiscipleDave (Post 7012500)
And then threw himself, headlong, into the 'potters' field'?

Nope.

He died at Massada.
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