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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 11:08 am
Rude is not entertaining, timber.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 11:24 am
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 11:43 am
More about Judith Miller
I don't often post from bloggs, but this one has an interesting point of view worth considering---mainly because I tend to think outside the box.
---BBB

More About Judith Miller
Daily KOS by jpol
Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 14:01:38 PDT
Cross-filed at Booman Tribune

Susan Hu has posted a piece on Judith Miller at Booman Tribune that raises some interesting questions about Judith Miller. At this point it would seem that there are more questions than answers, but it is starting to look as if Judith Miller's role in this developing story is much more profound, perhaps even sinister, than that of an honest journalist being pursued for her confidential sources by a dogged prosecutor.

Diaries :: jpol's diary :: ::

Fitzgerald has long been criticized for going after Miller, who, after all, never wrote a story about the Plame affair. I always assumed, as did others I'm sure, that Miller filed a story, but that the Times declined to run it (after all, outing a CIA agent for no good reason is generally frowned upon by the media, especially when the outing is being done by administration officials in the furtherance of a political agenda). Like every one else I assumed Fitzgerald was after Miller's sources. The new element in this to me is that

Miller apparently had some contact with someone at the White House on or about July 6, 2003, the day Joe Wilson's op-ed piece appeared in the New York Times revealing that he had investigated the yellow-cake rumors for the CIA and found them to be untrue. We also know from recent news stories that the Times is not in a position to do what Time, Inc. did relative to Cooper, namely turn over its (Miller's) reporter's notes. That is because the Times says they do not have Miller's notes. To me that suggests that Miller never filed a story after all. Surely if she did she would have had to supply background and documentation to her editors if the story were to be considered for publication. So if Miller never filed a story, just what role did she play in this affair? Why was she in contact with an unnamed "government official" regarding this story on or about July 6th?

The Downing Street Memos and Minutes prove what we really knew all along: that the White House was "fixing" the intelligence in order to justify going to war with Saddam. The major element of that fix was a pr campaign to convince the public that Saddam had a major WMD program. More than any one else, Judith Miller was the primary instrument of that pr campaign, landing story after story prominently in the pages of the New York Times (often on Page One) seeming to make the case for the Bush administration that Saddam was a genuine threat. We know, thanks to leaked e-mails revealed by Howard Kurtz in The Washington Post, that one of her primary sources was Ahmed Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress, darling of the Neocons who merited the coveted seat next to Laura Bush at the 2004 State of the Union address.

So if Miller did not file a story but was in touch with a "government official," presumably in the White House, when the Plame story was being leaked, just what was her role? Did she aid and abet the White House in getting this story into print? One thing we know for certain is that Karl Rove told MSNBC's Chris Matthews immediately after Robert Novak broke the Plame story that Valerie Plame was "fair game." While that conversation, revealed by Matthews and never denied by Rove, does not prove Rove was involved in the leak, it certainly proves he was in the loop.

All of this brings to mind another story that Judith Miller may have played a larger role in than her readers realize. You may recall the story of David Kelly, the British scientist and expert in WMD, who committed suicide in July 2003 while being investigated as the possible source for a BBC story that suggested (of all things) that the Blair government had doctored the intelligence about Saddam's WMD programs.

Judith Miller filed a story about Kelly on July 21, 2003:

Scientist Was the 'Bane of Proliferators'. The article painted a sympathetic portrait of Kelly and hinted that he believed Saddam did indeed maintain a WMD program despite the fact that no evidence of it had yet been found. Nothing in the article suggested that Miller had had contact with Kelly, nor that she had ever known him. Her story concluded with this passage:

Dr. Kelly's wife, Jan, said he had been under enormous pressure, but in e-mails sent hours before his death, he gave no hint of that, telling an associate, for instance, that he looked forward to returning to Iraq.

Thanks to news articles written by others we know more about Kelly's e-mails than Judith Miller revealed to readers of The New York Times... and more importantly, we know that Kelly wrote at least one e-mail that Miller failed to write about.

Jamie Macaskill, for example, filed a story in The London Sunday Mail on July 20, 2003 entitled: Dark Actors Playing Games:

SUICIDE scientist Dr David Kelly warned a friend that "dark actors" were working against him just hours before his death.

Dr Kelly revealed his fears shortly before killing himself after being dragged into the row over the Government's justification for war in Iraq.
In an email to American author Judy Miller, sent just before he left his home for the last time, he referred to "many dark actors playing games".
But, according to Miller, Dr Kelly gave no indication he was depressed or planning to take his own life.

He told her he would wait "until the end of the week" before deciding his next move following his traumatic appearance before a House of Commons select committee...

In fact, Judith Miller apparently knew David Kelly rather well. She had quoted him in several of her earlier articles going back to 1998, and according to the Globe article referenced above, Kelly had helped her write her book about Weapons of Mass Destruction published several years before.

One would have thought that Miller would have regarded her relationship with Kelly as well as her contact with him just before his death as "scoop" material. Instead she failed to let her readers even know that she had enjoyed a long and close association with him. Even more odd, she left out the provocative e-mail he had written her just prior to his death while writing about a more innocuous one sent to an "associate."

I find Miller's behavior in the Kelly story rather odd, to say the least. Unlike the Plame story, Miller did ultimately write about Kelly, but she camouflaged her own involvement and left much of what she knew out of the piece. I can't pretend to know what role Miller played in the Plame saga, but I am now wondering whether she is being looked at as a possible accessory, rather than as a journalist who is protecting her sources. If that is the case, her efforts to rally the journalistic community to her aid represent a cynical charade.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 11:50 am
Is Miller going to jail to protect Rove?
Is Miller willing to go to jain to protect Rove or to uphold the tradition of protecting sources? ---BBB

Steve Chapman
Special privileges and reporters
Chicago Tribune
Published July 3, 2005

The editor in chief of Time Inc. made news the other day by offering to do what most of us take for granted: Obey the law. It's about time.

Reporter Matthew Cooper has declined to testify in the federal probe of the outing of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. But after the U.S. Supreme Court spurned his appeal on Monday, his superiors elected to turn over his notes, which apparently will make his refusal irrelevant. "The same Constitution that protects the freedom of the press requires obedience to the final decisions of the courts," said editor Norman Pearlstein--an insight that has eluded many of his fellow journalists.

That would include New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who claims the prerogative of deciding for herself what information the grand jury is entitled to hear, and whose publisher backs her up. Like Cooper, she apparently had a conversation with the leaker (or leakers) about Plame. Even though she didn't write a story, that could make her a witness to a federal crime, since it is illegal for a federal employee to unmask a covert agent.

But Miller feels she has the right and the duty to keep her promise of confidentiality to her source, never mind that her source had no respect for his own secrecy obligations. She says she will go to jail rather than cooperate, and this week, she may get the chance.

Her fortitude would be admirable in a noble cause, which unfortunately this is not. Plame is the wife of former ambassador Joseph Wilson, who infuriated the White House by publicly rejecting claims that Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire nuclear weapons. After he wrote an article criticizing the Bush administration's evidence, someone leaked the information in an attempt to discredit him.

Columnist Robert Novak obligingly published Plame's name, which he said he got from "two senior administration officials." (Novak refuses to say whether he has testified, but since he hasn't been threatened with jail, it's safe to assume he has.) Miller and Cooper have chosen to shield someone who blew an American agent's cover for political revenge.

This is a terrible mistake for two reasons. In the first place, as the Supreme Court made clear, it is based on a legal privilege that exists only in the fertile imagination of journalists. In the second, it may serve to protect a serious felon from being brought to justice.

Miller insists that her subpoena, by compromising the confidentiality of news sources, threatens the public's right to know. But there are some things the public has no right to know--including the names of covert agents. If Plame's exposure had made her a terrorist target, that would be painfully obvious.

The law in question was passed in 1982 after rogue agent Philip Agee outed more than 1,000 CIA operatives, potentially jeopardizing their lives. No one has argued it should be repealed. But if federal employees can leak names to journalists without fear that the reporters may testify against them, the law would have all the value of a Confederate bank note.

It may not be surprising to find a couple of journalists behaving irresponsibly. What is surprising is that the entire press has rallied behind them. A host of news organizations, including Tribune Co., signed a brief siding with Cooper and Miller during their court battle. Editorialists at The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, who normally can't agree that shamrocks are green, both condemned special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald for thinking the protection of our spies justifies inconveniencing reporters.

But even the states that have shield laws allow prosecutors to subpoena reporters under certain conditions. Federal courts have ruled that even if there were a reporter's privilege not to testify, it would not be enough to excuse Miller and Cooper, because the information sought is crucial and the prosecutor has exhausted every other means of getting it.

The only protection that might help is an absolute shield, akin to the attorney-client or doctor-patient privilege. But as University of Chicago law professor Geoffrey Stone notes, even those have exceptions. If a client asks his lawyer how to get away with robbing a bank, the conversation is not protected, because the privilege was never meant to facilitate violations of the law.

The sort of privilege sought by the news media, however, would do just that. Reporters who are witnesses to a crime could evade the normal duty of citizens to tell what they know.

Journalists like nothing better than exposing self-seeking behavior by special interests who care nothing for the public good. In this case, they can find it by looking in the mirror.

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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:04 pm
I was going to agree with nimh's use of "tiresome," though I'd agree with "rude" as well.

Rove may have leaked Plame's name, he may not have. This is not yet known. Since it is not yet known -- since it has not yet been debunked and may yet turn out to be true -- it certainly bears watching. IF it is true, it is a major news story with major implications. Even if it is not true per se -- if Rove did not say some variation of "Valerie Plame is an undercover CIA agent" to Novak, Cooper, or Miller -- there are still potentially major and newsworthy implications, such as a perjury charge.

By the way, it's Wednesday, has it been forgotten yet?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:15 pm
The press corps didn't ask any questions about it -neither in Air Force One nor in Kastrup, Denmark.

(Just thinking how long it took until the news about the Downing Street memos was published in the USA ... .)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:31 pm
Breaking: Cooper WILL testify in order to avoid prison.

At least, according to a PM I just got from someone watching Fox News, he will.

More as I learn it; but things are heating up now!

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:33 pm
Gosh.

Mixed feelings -- I certainly want to know the truth, whatever it is, but I also think confidentiality in journalism is so important -- hate the idea of scaring off future Deep Throats.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:36 pm
Oh, I don't think it will scare future sources as much as one might think.

The reason why is that sources have two reasons for coming forward in the first place:

A, to 'do the right thing' and let information be known which could be damaging;

or

B, they just can't keep a secret!

I think B is pretty common. It is quite difficult to keep a secret...

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:40 pm
Not really... it can be A and B. As in, it can be hard to keep a secret -- but it could be that the only way for them to part with the secret is if they know that their anonymity would be retained. All indications are that anonymity was VERY important to Mark Felt, for a lot of valid reasons.

Anyway, certainly interested in what comes next.

Yahoo news on Cooper's decision to testify
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:25 pm
From the WP:

Quote:
Judge Orders N.Y. Times Reporter to Jail

By PETE YOST
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 6, 2005; 3:20 PM

WASHINGTON -- A federal judge on Wednesday jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller for refusing to divulge her source to a grand jury investigating the Bush administration's leak of an undercover CIA operative's name.

"There is still a realistic possibility that confinement might cause her to testify," U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan said.

Miller stood up, hugged her lawyer and was escorted from the courtroom.


Can't say I'm sorry to see this.

She should have been jailed for the incredibly bad reporting on WMD long ago, lol

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:26 pm
Miller's been ordered to jail
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:27 pm
Ah, got beat to the scoop.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:39 pm
This is new:

Quote:
"I went to bed ready to accept the sanctions" for not testifying, Cooper said. But he told the judge that not long before his early afternoon appearance, he had received "in somewhat dramatic fashion" a direct personal communication from his source freeing him from his commitment to keep the source's identity secret.


(AP via Yahoo.)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:41 pm
Hmm

Makes ya wonder.

My original information that I rounded up on this one led me to believe that:

The original source (a middle-level official) leaked the info,

THEN told some other highly-placed officials that he had done so,

And THEY told other people after that.

Or something to this effect.

The key here is that there are a lot of different directions that this could go; perjury, sharing of illegal information, even Treason.

We'll just have to wait and see; but it is nice to see that progress is being made.

Cycloptichorn
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 06:53 pm
I am still puzzled why the prosecuter's so hung up on Miller. She had information she apparently didn't use.

What was that term boomer used on another thread?
Hinky, that's it.

The focus on Miller feels 'hinky', especially with Novak still walking around.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 07:17 pm
EhBeth said HINKY!!!!

That is so funny!

I didn't know anyone else here said hinky.

I spell it heinky.

LOL!!!

It is weird. I think Novak gave his sources.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 07:49 pm
ehBeth wrote:
I am still puzzled why the prosecuter's so hung up on Miller. She had information she apparently didn't use.

What was that term boomer used on another thread?
Hinky, that's it.

The focus on Miller feels 'hinky', especially with Novak still walking around.


Novak sung like a canary.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 07:52 pm
I wonder who Gannon-Guckert was involved with sexually at the WH? Was it Karl? Scotty boy? Or Ken? Or all three?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 07:52 pm
The buzz on both sides of the isle:

Quote:
Rove to be indicted "this week or early next"
by PACollegeDem

Wow! Big news--Chris

I realize a few diaries have already talked about RedState user OhSure's comment (supposedly confirmed by good sources) that Rove is to be indicted soon, but here's a little more on the coming indictment from Dissident Voice's Joshua Frank (the link comes courtesy of Come And Take It, a community of Texas left wing bloggers):

Occasionally I get emails from Washington folks who work on the Hill claiming to possess juicy insider digs on our public servants and their corporate paymasters. I usually delete said emails, as I don't want to be responsible for propagating dirty rumors or false information that can't be corroborated. I'd rather let Judith Miller and the New York Times do that. Nonetheless, in the past 24 hours I have been contacted by three separate congressional Democrats in Washington, by email and later phone, who all say the same thing: Karl Rove is about to be indicted.

Joshua Frank also makes note of the RedState comment:


Apparently, I'm not the only one who has been leaked this information either. Over at Redstate, a right-wing Internet blog, one member who calls himself "Ohsure", also claims that "[four] Great sources confirmed" the matter, and later added: "I not only don't do this, I have never done this. But here it is; `Karl Rove will be indicted late this, or early next week.' I'm trusting a source. So either I am made a [sic] into an overzealous horses a**, or..., I have good sources and may be more trusted to get these things right."

It looks like Rove isn't going to be able to weasel out of this. I've been skeptical since the start (as one Kossack put it "I'm afraid to get excited about this like a poor kid is afraid to get excited about Christmas) but this is definitely hopeful news. The Washington buzz is that Rove will be indicted; now let's work on that conviction.

But what about all the speculation that this could unravel something a little higher up? It looks like the White House is seeking some heavy duty cover; namely Jim Sharp. The link, also via Come And Take It, has some exceprts from FindLaw and RawStory explaining the implications of Bush seeking outside counsel and elaborating on Jim Sharp's expertise in covering up GOP "accidents", including his involvement in representing some big players in Iran-Contra.

The ball is rolling, and it will not be stopped.


http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/7/6/125319/6928

Is it true? Is it not? We'll find out!

On the next episode of...

Plamegate!

Cycloptichorn

(thanks for watching!)
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