Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh? Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was

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Neither Job nor Jesus suffered eternally.

livinglava wrote:

[q "not one (sparrow) will fall to the ground outside your Father's care" (Matthew 10:29)

Is there no hell in the Christian theology to you?

Are we all bound for heaven or will some be outside of the Fathers loving care?

That wasn’t a compliment.

You’re not interested in talking, just proseletyzing.

Greatest I am wrote:

You forget that Adam and Eve could not know that the other trees were good as they did not have any knowledge of good and evil.

Christianity, as shown by the tree of good and evil, is a dualistic thinking religion.

Here you are trying to take the Yin out of Yin and Yang.

The story is basically saying that there are plenty of good choices, and those good choices don't cause bad consequences and ultimately harm/destruction/death.

Then the story says that there is also a path where you can make BOTH good AND bad choices, but the bad choices will still have negative consequences no matter how much good you choose/do.

Yin and Yang, I would say, are inherent in the temptation to sin. The story of A&E explains how original sin factors into the creation, and so sin is always present in one form or another.

We can and should strive to resist temptation and avoid sin, but sin is still going to happen in one form or another. Isn't that basically what YinYang philosophy says? I.e. that yin and yang are part and parcel of the same existence and that you can't have one without the other?

You could start with
Jesus and the Goddess by Freke and Gandy

Wisdom is not the same as knowallitism, I know it’s not a real word, but it sums you up.

Smugness and wisdom don’t usually go hand in hand.

Avoid sin, yes, when possible, but the systems here, evolution, forces us to sin.

That may be why you sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

If Adam did not do what you call a sin, Yahweh's plan would have been derailed.

Would you do exactly what he did and sin or would you refrain and throw Yahweh's plan off the rails?

Did Adam do the right thing or the wrong thing?

Wisdom is not the same as knowallitism, I know it’s not a real word, but it sums you up.

Smugness and wisdom don’t usually go hand in hand.

Greatest I am wrote:

Avoid sin, yes, when possible, but the systems here, evolution, forces us to sin.

We aren't necessarily forced to sin, but we go on sinning because we're not always aware and/or in control, which is different than being 'forced.'

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That may be why you sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

It's not a question of sin being a happy fault or not; it's that we should rejoice in the good news that there is life beyond sin, i.e. because God has given us a way to get forgiven/saved/redeemed and keep progressing in virtue despite sin.

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If Adam did not do what you call a sin, Yahweh's plan would have been derailed.

Would you do exactly what he did and sin or would you refrain and throw Yahweh's plan off the rails?

Did Adam do the right thing or the wrong thing?

God told them they would die if they at of that tree and they ended up doing so because they got tricked by the serpent.

How can anyone say they wouldn't have gotten tricked by the serpent? They had no forewarning of anything but that they would die from eating the forbidden fruit.

The serpent obviously had the ability to lie and trick them by causing them to misinterpret God's good will as a ploy to keep them from becoming like Him.

So the serpent sowed the seeds of envy toward God in A&E. They were already made in His image (and in each others'), yet they became tempted by the thought of inequality and the possibility of equality with God.

So who is immune from the temptations of envy/jealousy and power-hunger?

Answer: no one, but at least we can learn from A&E and others who have fallen to temptation to try to resist it and overcome the temptation in ourselves to make better choices.

Why shouldn't we rejoice in our ability to learn from and overcome sin in this way? It doesn't make it good that sin happens, but it is a silver lining around a dark cloud that some good can come from bad situations.

izzythepush wrote:

Wisdom is not the same as knowallitism, I know it’s not a real word, but it sums you up.

Smugness and wisdom don’t usually go hand in hand.

Accusing someone of 'knowallitism' is judgmental and fails to recognize that people can have thoughts on practically any subject, even if they're not experts, and it is a good thing for them to engage in discussion with others about their thoughts, because either or both people might learn something from the discussion.

When you talk about 'knowallitism' you're more focused on discussion as a display of status than as communication.

No you don’t, you lecture and disparage in a smug sanctimonious manner.

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer.
What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer.
What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

It’s an interesting question. Before going on I need to clarify that I see no evidence (anywhere) that hell is anything other than final death. (Let me know if you differ)

I’ll have to give my personal context for my answer to have any meaning. There is no way I can answer truthfully without sounding like the most elitist asshole in the world. I don’t think I’ve discussed much with you previously so kindly make no assumptions.
We do need some kind of broader context so let’s assume we are talking inside the context of 'an unbiased reader of the Bible', not the stereotypical 'Christian'.

The scriptures do imply the things you are saying. I don’t know the full explanation, but the idea that God would include humans who he didn’t breathe into, is not unreasonable. I see no other way that we become a living soul (Adam in Genesis). I assume the 'soulless' are a necessary part of his plan.

That said, It is quite possible that we live among the very animals that the materialist interpretation of existence say we all are. I will say that I have met people in which I could not sense any living soul. If they die, where is the injustice? From an atheist POV, they did not expect anything else.

I am assuming you meant you were atheist since you said you weren’t a 'believer'. But you obviously think about this stuff so I’m guessing you’re not one of those lacking a living soul.

I do not read the Christian myth or our own literally.

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I do not read the Christian myth or our own literally.

And not the post you are answering either.