Quote:What makes you say Yahweh was incapable of sinning when scriptures say he put lies into the prophets?
Got a reference for that? Not say'n it ain’t there, just can’t recall it and would like to know.
Quote:He could not reproduce when he did not know he was naked.
Truly he could have.
Quote:What makes you say Yahweh was incapable of sinning when... he put lies into the prophets.
No, that occurred when Adam and Eve chose on their own to devour the apple. From that moment forward, lies and deceit, along with other matters of wrongdoing, were festering inside the brains/minds/being of all humans. REMEmber, according to the teachings, God gave people 'free will'. The prophets were never forced to lie, it was their decision to do so.
Hey DL, you just gonna leave us hang'n?
I think he's currently being smug somewhere else. He tends to disappear for weeks on end.
it seems that you are the liar on both cases...
That or you just never read your bible.
I think people should learn what the words mean and stop making up things to explain what they don't understand.
Sin, singular, is the absence of spirit. Adam had a spirit but it died and so he was unable to bequeath a spirit to his offspring. That is why everybody is born in sin, not because Mommy and Daddy did the big nasty. That is why a savior had to die in our place and make it possible to create a new spirit for us.
Sins, plural, are mistakes, such as throwing a dart and missing the bullseye. Christians are baptised into Christ's death, and dead bodies don't commit sins, so sins are not an issue for Christians. There is no more forgiveness. Either you believe in Jesus and are saved or you don't believe and are lost.
Adam and Eve did not commit sin, they ate a poisonous fruit. God did not punish them, he merely listed the consequences of eating the poisonous fruit.
Quote:I agree with the direction you’re going in, but where did you get the idea that the fruit was poisonous?
God said "In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt die."
Mommy tells baby don't touch the stove because it will hurt. Baby touches the stove and gets hurt. Is that a sin against Mommy? Is the hurt a punishment inflicted by Mommy? Is Mommy evil because she kept a hot stove even though she knew it could hurt baby?
Let's get real, ok?
I had already said my goodbyes here but you raise an interesting point, albeit not in this particular scripture. Kings is some pretty dense text but the gist of it I get.
When read from the top of the chapter, it is obvious that the current King of Israel is a self aggrandizing fool. He picks his ‘prophets' only from those who agree with him. He is like a president who only wants to hear from advisers who agree with him and each other, and say good things about him.
Apparently God thinks things should be shaken up, so he sends a skilled angel to give the right words to the kings idiot advisers to convince the king to go to war, which will definitely shake things up. Note that the one true prophet (Micaiah) did not do the lying.
You may insist that I’m trying to get God off on a technicality but that would be nitpicking about the word rather than the spirit of the law. You have to decide whether you are going to be a lawyer or a lover.
If God had lied to Micaiah it might be different. Lying to those other dirtbags (including the King) I have no problem with. There is scripture to back that up if you're interested.
Why and how does knowledge kill us?
16And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
If a god has to lie to anyone, then his plan is already off the rails.
To think that god is good while ignoring his evil liar side is not possible in a dualistic world.
Place no ones name above Yahweh for evil.
Go logos and not mythos for a better view.
My impression is that it can go either way, the 'fear of God' either leaves you awestruck or terrified at that hideous strength. I still don’t know which way he went. Some people are awestruck by raw power, even if it is evil.
The easiest way to think about the 'fear of God,' is to pick some natural occurrence that humans have no control over, such as a storm or flood, and then think about how to respond to that
Quote:The easiest way to think about the 'fear of God,' is to pick some natural occurrence that humans have no control over, such as a storm or flood, and then think about how to respond to that
Transferring that fear to something else misses the point for me. The only earthly equivalent that comes to mind is how I approached my first race car or airplane as a student. I had a kind of love and reverence for them but also a fear knowing that if I failed to understand what I was dealing with, it could be fatal.
The other kind of fear of God I have is knowing the extreme lengths he will go to in letting me find my own way. It’s both scary and humbling that He would have that much respect for me.
So you're basically saying that you fear consequences for your actions, which makes sense to me.
Neither Job nor Jesus suffered eternally
Transferring that fear to something else misses the point for me.
Quote:So you're basically saying that you fear consequences for your actions, which makes sense to me.
Still not what I’m say'n.
I’m way more afraid of disappointing him than any fate my actions could possibly bring. Not the consequences of disappointing him, just the blunt fact of it.
Quote:Neither Job nor Jesus suffered eternally
Again, not what I’m afraid of.