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US admits torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo

 
 
Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:50 am
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US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo and Iraq, Afghanistan: UN


Washington has for the first time acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.

The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity.

"They are no longer trying to duck this, and have respected their obligation to inform the UN," the Committee member told AFP.

"They they will have to explain themselves (to the Committee). Nothing should be kept in the dark."

UN sources said it was the first time the world body has received such a frank statement on torture from US authorities.

The Committee, which monitors respect for the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, is gathering information from the US ahead of hearings in May 2006.

Signatories of the convention are expected to submit to scrutiny of their implementation of the 1984 convention and to provide information to the Committee.

The document from Washington will not be formally made public until the hearings.

"They haven't avoided anything in their answers, whether concerning prisoners in Iraq, in Afghanistan or Guantanamo, and other accusations of mistreatment and of torture," the Committee member said.

"They said it was a question of isolated cases, that there was nothing systematic and that the guilty were in the process of being punished."

The US report said that those involved were low-ranking members of the military and that their acts were not approved by their superiors, the member added.

The US has faced criticism from UN human rights experts and international groups for mistreatment of detainees -- some of whom died in custody -- in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly during last year's prisoner abuse scandal surrounding the Abu Ghraib facility there.

Scores of US military personnel have been investigated, and several tried and convicted, for abuse of people detained during the US-led campaign against Islamic terrorist groups.

At the Guantanamo Bay naval base, a US toehold in Cuba where around 520 suspects of some 40 nationalities are held, allegations of torture have combined with other claims of human rights breaches.

The US has faced widespread criticism for keeping the Guantanamo detainees in a "legal black hole," notably for its refusal to grant them prisoner of war status and allegedly sluggish moves to charge or try them.

Washington's report to the Committee reaffirms the US position that the Guantanamo detainees are classed as "enemy combatants," and therefore do not benefit from the POW status set out in the Geneva Conventions, the Committee member said.

Four UN human rights experts on Thursday slammed the United States for stalling on a request to allow visits to terrorism suspects held at the Guantanamo Bay naval base, and said they planned to carry out an indirect probe of conditions there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:53 am
Btw: these words of the acknowledgement of torture come a day after an UN investigator complained of US delays in allowing a UN visit to Guantanamo:

U.N.: U.S. Stalling on Guantanamo Request
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:55 am
About bloody ******* time.

Jesus wept.

What was it gonna take - signed affidavits from all the torturers?

Anyone else waiting for an admission of wrongness from those on the right who don't think it fine and dandy?

No - neither am I.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 10:02 am
An admission of...wrongness...
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 10:13 am
.. Same old story:

...The US report said that those involved were low-ranking members of the military and that their acts were not approved by their superiors ....

... blah, blah, blah .... Rolling Eyes
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 10:41 am
Yep - saw that - strategy clear.

Sigh.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 10:43 am
Basically, the rule is, the buck stops as low down the chain of command as we can get away with. Responsible commanders take responsibility for the actions of the lowliest member of their commands, and have traditionally taken steps to immunize themselves by setting standards and seeing to the adherence to those standards. This crew, however, is all about "plausible deniability."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 11:20 am
That's complete nonsense. In our state prison systems, and in the federal system, there is a right of habeus corpuse which does not apply to the Shrub's dirty little prison system. Those incarcerated by states or the Feds have access to legal representation and the right to bring actions for their conditions--that doesn't apply in the crooked system people are condemning here. The same standards applied would mean that frivolous complaints by those held by the military would be treated just as are frivolous complaints by state and Federal inmates.

All that people here are insisting upon is that we apply this standard to the "detainees." And we always make the point, from which the right always makes a cowardly retreat, that so long as we behave in this manner, we are no better than those whom we condemn, we destroy our credibility and authority in the world, and that means they are winning.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 11:45 am
Interesting thread albeit not novel as torture is pervasive and we need to be constantly vigilant about it.

Case at point: the Bush administration was vociferous in attacking the rhetoric of the recent Amnesty International report dealing with homemade American torture. Yet it never addressed the issues of the report. It in fact never denied it's content.

And it's content is quite explicit:

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On 22 June, after the leaking of earlier government documents relating to the "war on terror" suggesting that torture and ill-treatment had been envisaged, the administration took the step of declassifying selected documents to "set the record straight". However, the released documents showed that the administration had sanctioned interrogation techniques that violated the UN Convention against Torture and that the President had stated in a central policy memorandum dated 7 February 2002 that, although the USA's values "call for us to treat detainees humanely", there are some "who are not legally entitled to such treatment". The documents discussed, among other things, ways in which US agents could avoid the international prohibition on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, including by arguing that the President could override international and national laws prohibiting such treatment. These and other documents also indicated that President Bush's decision not to apply the Geneva Conventions to detainees captured in Afghanistan followed advice from his legal counsel, Alberto Gonzales, that this would free up US interrogators in the "war on terror" and make future prosecutions of US agents for war crimes less likely. Following the presidential elections in November, President Bush nominated Alberto Gonzales to the post of Attorney General in his new administration.

On 30 December, shortly before Alberto Gonzales' nomination hearings in the Senate, the Justice Department replaced one of its most controversial memorandums on torture, dated August 2002. Although the new memorandum was an improvement on its predecessor, much of the original version lived on in a Pentagon Working Group Report on Detainee Interrogations in the Global War on Terrorism, dated 4 April 2003, which remained operational at the end of the year.

A February report by the ICRC on abuses by Coalition forces in Iraq, which in some cases were judged to be "tantamount to torture", was also leaked as was the report of an investigation by US Army Major General Antonio Taguba. The Taguba report had found "numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses" against detainees in Abu Ghraib prison between October and December 2003. It had also found that US agents in Abu Ghraib had hidden a number of detainees from the ICRC, referred to as "ghost detainees". It was later revealed that one of these detainees had died in custody, one of several such deaths that were revealed during the year where torture or ill-treatment was thought to be a contributory factor.

During the year, the authorities initiated various criminal investigations and prosecutions against individual soldiers as well as investigations and reviews into interrogation and detention policies and practices. The investigations found that there had been "approximately 300 recorded cases of alleged abuse in Afghanistan, Guantánamo and Iraq." On 9 September, Major Paul Kern, who oversaw one of the military investigations, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that there may have been as many as 100 cases of "ghost detainees" in US custody in Iraq. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld admitted to having authorized the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to keep at least one detainee off any prison register.

However, there was concern that most of the investigations consisted of the military investigating itself, and did not have the power to carry the investigation into the highest levels of government. The activities of the CIA in Iraq and elsewhere, for example, remained largely shrouded in secrecy. No investigation dealt with the USA's alleged involvement in secret transfers between countries and any torture or ill-treatment that may have ensued. Many documents remained classified. AI called for a full commission of inquiry into all aspects of the USA's "war on terror" and interrogation and detention policies and practices.

During the year, released detainees alleged that they had been tortured or ill-treated while in US custody in Afghanistan and Guantánamo. Evidence also emerged that others, including Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents and the ICRC, had found that such abuses had been committed against detainees.


http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng

When a nation such as America lowers its standards in human rights it encourages other nation in their own treatment of people. Furthermore, many of the American techniques are in such countries such as Israel deemed torture and illegal by their Supreme Court.

To think that the torture acts and ill treatment of detainees is only but the work of few low level operatives or military is turning a blind eye to accountancy. It's a copout that serves the brass.

America uses torture often, either directly or outsourced. Yet it denies it at every turn. No wonder it won't have any part in the ICC (International Criminal Court). It has proven time and time again that the end justifies the means.
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