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Is using letters from one alphabet to use in another called "adopting" or "borrowing"?

 
 
Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 06:49 am
When a culture takes letters from another culture's alphabet to use in their own alphabet, are they borrowing letters from other culture's alphabet or adopting letters from another culture's alphabet?

I have a language- or linguistics-related question I want to ask, and I want to make sure I am using the correct terminology.

Please help- thank you.
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 02:10 pm
@JGoldman10,
Just ask your language/linguistics question! You'll receive other info at that time.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 03:56 pm
@JGoldman10,
Words are "borrowed", not letters.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 06:30 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Not according to this:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-from-greek-alphabet-letter
https://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=z00QBOsUgcsC&pg=PA1573&lpg=PA1573&dq=borrow+letters+from+one+alphabet+to+another&source=bl&ots=sgHBB-dZPt&sig=ACfU3U0fA-I-uXerrpPyjY_PBK-wUFllFA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF7I7_77DkAhWBg-AKHcZRC_sQ6AEwGnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=borrow%20letters%20from%20one%20alphabet%20to%20another&f=false
knaivete
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 09:47 pm
קאָ-אַפּט
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 10:03 pm
@knaivete,
I don't understand Hebrew. What did you post?
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 10:41 pm
@JGoldman10,
highlight the word, right click, choose "search Google" and when it takes you to google, type the word "translate" after that.

I figured that out all on my own in about 2 seconds.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 11:25 pm
@chai2,
It would be easier to copy and paste that word into a Hebrew to English translator.

That person posted "co-opt" in Hebrew.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 08:40 am
@JGoldman10,
You are working awfully hard to start an argument over something that does not need to be argued about.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 11:17 am
Your webpage that discusses the letter "Þ" refers to the "borrowing" of alphabets, e.g. "the Greek alphabet had been borrowed from the Phoenician or another North Semitic alphabet in the 10th century BCE."
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 12:25 pm
It could be ether or both or coincidence. Examples, please?
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 04:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
Did you look at ALL the links I posted?

From this one:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-from-greek-alphabet-letter :

"Going Greek: 7 Words from the Greek Alphabet
We borrowed another language's letters to create these English words."

From https://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html :

"2.4 Etruscan to Latin The Romans borrowed their script from the Etruscans in about the 6th century BCE....

2.8 Borrowing from Greek. The first basic letters added to the Latin alphabet were borrowed from a foreign alphabet....
2.9 Borrowing from the English fuþorc. The next basic letter added to the Latin alphabet was also borrowed from a foreign alphabet.....

4.0 Recommendations.
ÞORN is a basic letter borrowed into Latin from a foreign alphabet, ..."

From https://books.google.com/books?id=z00QBOsUgcsC&pg=PA1573&lpg=PA1573&dq=borrow+letters+from+one+alphabet+to+another&source=bl&ots=sgHBB-dZPt&sig=ACfU3U0fA-I-uXerrpPyjY_PBK-wUFllFA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF7I7_77DkAhWBg-AKHcZRC_sQ6AEwGnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=borrow%20letters%20from%20one%20alphabet%20to%20another&f=false :

"Borrowing letters from other alphabets, ..."
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 04:32 pm
@Jewels Vern,
I'm not trying to incite an argument. What are you talking about?
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knaivete
 
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Reply Mon 2 Sep, 2019 08:44 pm
@JGoldman10,
Is it just me, or is anybody else champing at the bit of this cart before the horse conundrum.

Will this prickly problem of precisely portraying a word for adopt, borrow, co-opt, absorb, embrace or incorporate a letter (or the whole alfalfabet) ever be solved?

Quote:
I have a language- or linguistics-related question I want to ask, and I want to make sure I am using the correct terminology.


Will this anticipatory excitement be better than or equal to the real thing?

Will the ultimate question be how to pronounce a Japanese cartoon dog rapper's name? Lap dog or rap dog, kanji dig it?

Howl on will this be going on?

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Sep, 2019 12:58 am
@knaivete,
knaivete wrote:

Will this prickly problem of precisely portraying a word for adopt, borrow, co-opt, absorb, embrace or incorporate a letter (or the whole alfalfabet) ever be solved?


Finding the appropriate word should be so difficult.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Sep, 2019 01:01 am
@JGoldman10,
Your links look like you've found the answer, you've posted numerous examples of people using borrowed, so why don't you use that and not bother with what people on this thread have to say about it.
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