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"Government speech", "Compelled speech" and Free Speech

 
 
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 04:22 am
You remember those ads, don't you?? Big tasty steaks over a fire, nicely trimmed slices of filet mignon on a plate and the big ballsy voiced announcer bawling "Beef. It's what for dinner." And then in the fine print it said something about being paid for by beef producers. Well, it was, BUT, it was a Dept of Agriculture produced spot that was paid for by assessment of a buck a head by all beef producers, whether they wanted to be part of the government's ad campaign or not.

Now comes the Supreme Court with Judge Antonin (I only see what I read)Scalia finding right there in the Constitution something called "government speech". That's right. And if the government wants to uh, er, mustn't say tax here.... uh, assess you to produce said "government speech" you got nothing to say about it.
Court Says Cowpokes gotta pay.

So says JS:
"Compelled funding of government speech does not alone raise First Amendment concerns," Justice Scalia said, adding, "Citizens may challenge compelled support of private speech, but have no First Amendment right not to fund government speech."

He said it made no difference whether the speech at issue was supported by general taxes or, as in this case, by "targeted assessments devoted exclusively to the program to which the assessed citizens object."

Oops. he said taxes. Aw well...

So now the government is free to bloviate on say "No child left behind" or get Armstrong Williams to do a fakie new release on, I don't know, Social Security "reform", or whatever strikes the powers on a particular day. Maybe the President's polls need a lift, so they do a little blurb about how terrific the economy is doing or "Look! We can drill anywhere and still not hurt the deerlike creatures".... and you, you have no First Amendment right not to fund "government speech".

Not only that, but the government speech, sorry, "government speech" doesn't even have to identify itself as such, at least according to Antonin, who didn't speak to that aspect of the ad campaign. The dissenters did:

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The dissenters were Justices David H. Souter, John Paul Stevens and Anthony M. Kennedy. In an opinion by Justice Souter, they said the beef campaign amounted to little more than "government deception by omission," because the advertisements gave the impression that they were the voluntary product of the cattle industry with no indication of government sponsorship.

Noting that most of the advertisements say only "funded by America's Beef Producers," Justice Souter said, "If government relies on the government-speech doctrine to compel specific groups to fund speech with targeted taxes, it must make itself politically accountable by indicating that the content actually is a government message, not just the statement of one self-interested group the government is currently willing to invest with power."


(My emphasis)

So, now hear this, the American government can not only speak on subjects for you while, ventriloquist like, pretending the voice is coming from folks just like you, and they can charge you to defray the cost of producing the propaganda. Yes, it's morning in America.

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Fade in from black:

Film of Judge Scalia at his desk.

Voice over:
For years he has toiled on the Supreme Court's bench in the shadow of the others there. Now it is time to elevate the great. Now it is time for Antinion Scalia to become Chief of the Court and Master of his Domain.

This message brought to you by the American [size=7]mumble mumble [/size]Producers, some Lawyer types and a bunch of people who don't even know they were assessed yet.

Joe(I don't mind you lying if you look me in the eye.)Nation
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 05:32 am
Seems like the only issue here is exactly what the Constitution says, and whether he was correct or incorrect in his interpretation of it.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 01:01 pm
Oh yes. If you look at the fine print in the First Amendment, it says that beef producers and tree fruit growers are compelled to pay for government speech, but mushroom growers are not.

Beef Producers:
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1164.ZO.html

Mushroom Growers:
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-276.ZS.html


Justice Scalia's true hypocrisy shines through in another case concerning shackles.

Remember Scalia's views as set forth in his 2002 speech/article entitled "God’s Justice and Ours" as follows:

Justice Scalia wrote:
. . . As it is, however, the Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead—or, as I prefer to put it, enduring. It means today not what current society (much less the Court) thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted. For me, therefore, the constitutionality of the death penalty is not a difficult, soul–wrenching question. It was clearly permitted when the Eighth Amendment was adopted (not merely for murder, by the way, but for all felonies—including, for example, horse–thieving, as anyone can verify by watching a western movie). And so it is clearly permitted today.


Compare to to Thomas's dissent joined by Scalia in Deck v. Missouri:

At his sentencing hearing, Defendant Deck was shackled in leg irons, handcuffs, and a belly chain. The court overruled objections to the shackles and Deck was sentenced to death. In a 7-2 opinion, the Court stated:

The Majority wrote:
The law has long forbidden routine use of visible shackles during the guilt phase; it permits a State to shackle a criminal defendant only in the presence of a special need.

This rule has deep roots in the common law. In the 18th century, Blackstone wrote that “it is laid down in our antient books, that, though under an indictment of the highest nature,” a defendant “must be brought to the bar without irons, or any manner of shackles or bonds; unless there be evident danger of an escape.” 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 317 (1769) (footnote omitted); see also 3 E. Coke, Institutes of the Laws of England *34 (“If felons come in judgement to answer, . . . they shall be out of irons, and all manner of bonds, so thattheir pain shall not take away any manner of reason, nor them constrain to answer, but at their free will”).


Clearly, at the time our Constitution was written, it was a violation of due process for any prisoner/defendant to appear before a jury shackled or bound in any manner unless there was evident danger of an escape.

Yet, Thomas and Scalia--the two justices on the Court that demand that the Court apply "original intent" to constitutional interpretations--took a different road on this case:

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. . . To reach its result, the Court resurrects an old rule the basis for which no longer exists. . . .

My legal obligation is not to determine the wisdom or the desirability of shackling defendants, but to decide a purely legal question: Does the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment preclude the visible shackling of a defendant. Therefore, I examine whether there is a deeply rooted legal principle that bars that practice. Medina v. California, 505 U. S. 437, 446 (1992); Apprendi v. New Jersey, 530 U. S. 466, 500 (2000) (THOMAS, J., concurring); see also Chicago v. Morales, 527 U. S. 41, 102–106 (1999) (THOMAS, J., dissenting). As I explain below, although the English common law had a rule against trying a defendant in irons, the basis for the rule makes clear that it should not be extended by rote to modern restraints, which are dissimilar in certain essential respects to the irons that gave rise to the rule. Despite the existence of a rule at common law, state courts did not even begin to address the use of physical restraints until the 1870’s, and the vast majority of state courts would not take up this issue until the 20th century, well after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. Neither the earliest case nor the more modern cases reflect a consensus that would inform our understanding of the requirements of due process therefore find this evidence inconclusive."


http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/04-5293.pdf

Again, Compare to the Death Penalty: Despite the existence of a rule at common law that allowed the colonists to inflict the death penalty for all felonies (including stealing), the colonists rarely imposed the death penalty except in cases of the most heinous crimes. Additionally, there is no history that would reflect a concensus on the death penalty that would inform our understanding today. Many of our founding fathers found the death penalty to be barbaric and that it had no place in our republic.

The Department of State wrote:
. . . The settlers in the New World brought this English code with them, although the shortage of manpower in the colonies led to a drastic reduction in the imposition of the death penalty, especially for minor crimes. People who could work were too valuable to lose because of petty infractions such as stealing rabbits. The Puritans in Massachusetts, for example, abolished capital punishment for any form of theft, and in the Massachusetts Body of Liberties (1641) declared that "for bodily punishments, we allow amongst us none that are inhumane, barbarous or cruel."

By the time of the Revolution, most colonies had laws that provided the death penalty for arson, piracy, treason, murder, sodomy, burglary, robbery, rape, horse-stealing, slave rebellion, and counterfeiting, with death by hanging the usual mode of execution. Some colonies had more severe criminal codes, but in all of them the record seems to indicate that even though a particular crime could be punished by death, judges and juries imposed this penalty only in the cases of the most heinous crimes.

. . .A major debate over what constituted cruel and unusual punishment took place at the time of the Revolution and extended through the drafting of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, a debate that in many ways foreshadowed the modern controversy over whether capital punishment is cruel and unusual punishment.

. . . The debate over cruel and unusual punishment also included a discussion of whether capital punishment should be outlawed. The writings of European philosophers such as Immanuel Kant were well known in the United States, and his restatement of the old Biblical notion of proportionality carried a great deal of weight. But so, too, did the writings of reformers such as the Italian Cesare Beccaria, who opposed the death penalty. Beccaria believed that the very severity of a law often made criminals "commit additional crimes to avoid punishment for a single one." For example, if a simple crime like stealing a chicken might lead to a severe penalty, then the chicken thief would resort to even greater violence in avoiding capture so as to evade that punishment.

There were some significant voices raised at the time in favor of abolishing capital punishment. Some argued that the success of the new republic should depend upon the virtue of its citizens and not on their fear of a harsh penal code, which many saw as the hallmark of tyranny. Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, declared that "capital punishments are the natural offspring of monarchical governments." Even a conservative like Alexander Hamilton believed that "the idea of cruelty inspires disgust," and that the death penalty undermined republican values and behavior.



http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/rightsof/punish.htm


It is ironic and hypocritical of Justice Scalia to simply claim that the Constitution did not forbid the death penalty for horse thieves when it was written, therefore it doesn't forbid it now--without inquiring whether there was a consensus among the framers and ratifiers--and without inquiring whether the colonists actually employed the death penalty to crimes other than the most heinous crimes . . . .

And then claim that the common law rule that clearly forbid the use of shackles or any mode of binding at the time our constitution was written does not guide the decision whether shackling would be forbidden in modern times with modern shackles? It's simply an old rule the basis for which no longer exists?

Hypocrits.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 05:49 pm
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ohmigod, he doing his research by watching old John Wayne movies, absolutely historically accurate until you actually read some Western History!!!

Joe(This message brought to you by the folks what brought us)Nation
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 09:40 am
You know speaking as a ferriner interested in legal issues this would be funny if it weren't so tragically sad.
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