gungasnake
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:13 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Sounds like the Middle Eastern moslems want their religion respected, but don't show respect to other religions.


like these guys?

http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/articles/2005/05/24/news/news01.txt


The little "the koran needs to be flushed" sign in front of one church?

First off, tell me how that's supposed to be any sort of an analogy to a 1400-year campaign of terror and subjugation and oppression (the history of I-slam) which ends up with one religion controlling all of the territory from the wall of China to the west coast of Africa and tens of degrees of lattitude up and down; a campaign of conquest so thorough in fact that having even a minescule sliver of that territory retaken by its original owners for the state of Israel, a sliver which was basically uninhabited prior to the zionist movement in fact, provokes an unremitting and relentless torrent of crybaby routines and terrorism over a 60-year period.

And, after you've done that, you might want to try actually READING some of what this fabulous book (the koran) has to say, and then tell us all what exactly is wrong with the idea of wanting to flush it. For instance:


SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN

2:191 http://tinyurl.com/yreed , And slay them wherever ye catch them.

4:84 http://tinyurl.com/ysbhc , Then fight in Allah's cause.

4:141 http://tinyurl.com/2s5p9 , And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.

5:33 http://tinyurl.com/2thto , The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

8:12 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:17 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.

8:60 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.

9:5 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:14 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been foridden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.

9:111 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an

9:123 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

25:52 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.

37:22-23 http://tinyurl.com/ytlpp , "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong- doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4 http://tinyurl.com/3bwz5 , Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 http://tinyurl.com/2qh7h , (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:18 am
You are sooooo narrow minded gunga.

Let me state unequivocably that I think people through the years, both the powerful and important (like world leaders) and the small and insignificant (like you and me) have perverted both books to their advantage and turned both the bible and the koran into bullshit bound in leather.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:24 am
patiodog wrote:
Why in the world wouldn't you spare the livestock, if all the people (save one, apparently), had been put to death?


To make an example. That's the way things were done in those days; you can't judge them by our standards.

Dylan was wrong about Ruben Carter too.

http://graphicwitness.com/carter/

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/carterboxing.htm

Quote:
Actually, the only way that really could have happened was if a truck ran over all of the middleweights who actually knew how to box."
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:27 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
You are sooooo narrow minded gunga.

Let me state unequivocably that I think people through the years, both the powerful and important (like world leaders) and the small and insignificant (like you and me) have perverted both books to their advantage and turned both the bible and the koran into bullshit bound in leather.



You don't have to pervert I-slam or the koran; the book and religion start out perverted.

There is no law of physics to prevent a Christian from being an a$$hole. Nonetheless in order to be an a$$hole, a Christian has to be in substantial violation of the basic tenets of his religion. A slammite has to be in substantial violation of the basic tenets of HIS religion in order to be a decent person. That's the difference.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:31 am
gungasnake wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
You are sooooo narrow minded gunga.

Let me state unequivocably that I think people through the years, both the powerful and important (like world leaders) and the small and insignificant (like you and me) have perverted both books to their advantage and turned both the bible and the koran into bullshit bound in leather.



You don't have to pervert I-slam or the koran; the book and religion start out perverted.

There is no law of physics to prevent a Christian from being an a$$hole. Nonetheless in order to be an a$$hole, a Christian has to be in substantial violation of the basic tenets of his religion. A slammite has to be in substantial violation of the basic tenets of HIS religion in order to be a decent person. That's the difference.


In your opinion. Don't forget that.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:38 am
gungasnake wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Sounds like the Middle Eastern moslems want their religion respected, but don't show respect to other religions.


like these guys?

http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/articles/2005/05/24/news/news01.txt


The little "the koran needs to be flushed" sign in front of one church?

First off, tell me how that's supposed to be any sort of an analogy to a 1400-year campaign of terror and subjugation and oppression (the history of I-slam) which ends up with one religion controlling all of the territory from the wall of China to the west coast of Africa and tens of degrees of lattitude up and down; a campaign of conquest so thorough in fact that having even a minescule sliver of that territory retaken by its original owners for the state of Israel, a sliver which was basically uninhabited prior to the zionist movement in fact, provokes an unremitting and relentless torrent of crybaby routines and terrorism over a 60-year period.

And, after you've done that, you might want to try actually READING some of what this fabulous book (the koran) has to say, and then tell us all what exactly is wrong with the idea of wanting to flush it. For instance:


SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN

2:191 http://tinyurl.com/yreed , And slay them wherever ye catch them.

4:84 http://tinyurl.com/ysbhc , Then fight in Allah's cause.

4:141 http://tinyurl.com/2s5p9 , And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.

5:33 http://tinyurl.com/2thto , The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

8:12 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:17 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.

8:60 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.

9:5 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:14 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been foridden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.

9:111 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an

9:123 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

25:52 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.

37:22-23 http://tinyurl.com/ytlpp , "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong- doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4 http://tinyurl.com/3bwz5 , Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 http://tinyurl.com/2qh7h , (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."


Sounds like the Old Testament.

So I guess you think in order to be an ass hole all you have to do is be a jew as well?
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:51 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Sounds like the Middle Eastern moslems want their religion respected, but don't show respect to other religions.


You mean like how gunga shows respect, right, Brandon?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 06:53 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:


Sounds like the Old Testament.


Really?

Where in the OT does God tell Jews to go out and subjugate and oppress everybody between the wall of China and the west coast of Africa? Where is the gigantic Jewish empire stretching from China to the Atlantic??

Like Jesus said, you know a tree by its fruits.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 07:07 am
I don't think we can deny that most religions other than Islams is at best discouraged in a lot of Islamic States. That is regrettable and I don't condone the use of torture to change someone's religious beliefs.

On the other hand it is the people who have done or practiced these acts and not the religion itself.

Moreover, I don't think we are going to encourage tolerance by being intolerant ourselves or by being disrespectful of other people and and their beliefs.

Neither will wars and killing inspire a more tolerant attitude in those countries.

I am not saying that we should try to go all over the world and stamp out Islam at all. I completely believe that people should believe how they want to believe. I also think people should govern how they see fit and if they see fit to govern with Islamic laws then that is their right. I just think there should be room for dissenting beliefs without dire or deathly consequences.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 07:10 am
Gunga, there is plenty of places in the Old Testament where God told Israel to go and kill everyone including all the animals of an enemy. This is not a religious section but I have a Bible on my computer desktop and can show you where if need be.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 07:14 am
revel wrote:
Gunga, there is plenty of places in the Old Testament where God told Israel to go and kill everyone including all the animals of an enemy. This is not a religious section but I have a Bible on my computer desktop and can show you where if need be.


No way! You're asking me to believe that gunga can't even read. How preposterous!
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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:05 am
Could this be where you "worship", gunga? {picture available at the URL listed below}

Quote:


http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/articles/2005/05/24/news/news01.txt

Church Sign Sparks Debate

By JOSH HUMPHRIES Daily Courier Staff Writer


FOREST CITY -- A sign in front of a Baptist church on one of the most traveled highways in the county stirred controversy over religious tolerance and first-amendment rights this weekend.

A sign in front of Danieltown Baptist Church, located at 2361 U.S. 221 south reads "The Koran needs to be flushed," and the Rev. Creighton Lovelace, pastor of the church, is not apologizing for the display.

"I believe that it is a statement supporting the word of God and that it (the Bible) is above all and that any other religious book that does not teach Christ as savior and lord as the 66 books of the Bible teaches it, is wrong," said Lovelace. "I knew that whenever we decided to put that sign up that there would be people who wouldn't agree with it, and there would be some that would, and so we just have to stand up for what's right."

Seema Riley, a Muslim, who was born in Pakistan and reared in New York, was one of those upset by the sign.

She moved to Rutherford County for the "small town friendly" atmosphere, she said. When she saw the sign on the side of the highway Saturday she felt angered and threatened.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:18 am
I wish I'd see some of this moral outrage aimed in the right direction.
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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:26 am
McGentrix wrote:
I wish I'd see some of this moral outrage aimed in the right direction.


Me too, McG, me too.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:34 am
McGentrix wrote:
I wish I'd see some of this moral outrage aimed in the right direction.


and you are the abitrator of the right direction of course..... Laughing
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:37 am
Of course.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 08:59 am
gungasnake wrote:


And, after you've done that, you might want to try actually READING some of what this fabulous book (the koran) has to say, and then tell us all what exactly is wrong with the idea of wanting to flush it. For instance:


SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN

2:191 http://tinyurl.com/yreed , And slay them wherever ye catch them.

4:84 http://tinyurl.com/ysbhc , Then fight in Allah's cause.

4:141 http://tinyurl.com/2s5p9 , And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.

5:33 http://tinyurl.com/2thto , The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

8:12 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:17 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.

8:60 http://tinyurl.com/2dxh5 , Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65 http://tinyurl.com/36u5p , O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.

9:5 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:14 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been foridden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.

9:111 http://tinyurl.com/26bg2 , Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an

9:123 http://tinyurl.com/yvu3f , O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22 http://tinyurl.com/32wdj , These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

25:52 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 http://tinyurl.com/3xjey , Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.

37:22-23 http://tinyurl.com/ytlpp , "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong- doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4 http://tinyurl.com/3bwz5 , Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29 http://tinyurl.com/2t8ge , Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 http://tinyurl.com/2qh7h , (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."


gungasnake wrote:
That's the way things were done in those days; you can't judge them by our standards.


The bible is full of stories (in the old testament) where God orders the Jews to kill man woman and child of non-believers. Don't make me go and get the quotes, or everyone here will be very, very sorry.

Judging religion is important if you are looking for something to believe in. If you are just interested in marking entire swaths of people as evil and denying them their humanity, then you'll want to save your energy because that finger pointing goes both ways.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 10:00 am
Saying Jesus approves of violence by citing some of the more blood-thirsty passages of the Old Testament is clever, but not cricket. Not even a little.

Gungasnake must think he's the bible expert around here...
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 07:42 pm
Besides, gungasnake, and I mean this sincerely, be not afraid. It doesn't matter what others have said, Christ said 'Be not afraid', if you find yourself fearing Islam you do not have to denigrate Islam but shore up your own faith and if you cannot do that then you have no faith and are as the sounding brass...

The pastor with his little mind and his little sign, he's in fear, not in love and that, remember, is the message of the peace of Christ, love your enemies, yeah, that's hard, but that's what He said.

Love your enemies.

If you hate Islam, you cannot be a Christian.

Joe(now go in peace and sin no more)Nation
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