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Ireland: Disgust in Dingle

 
 
Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:36 am
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Disgust in Dingle as De Valera's grandson bans town's famous name

By David McKittrick, Ireland Correspondent
23 May 2005


The town of Dingle, one of Ireland's best-known tourist attractions, has been plunged into controversy by a government edict which means its name no longer officially exists.

Under new rules to promote the Irish language, Dingle must now be known by the Gaelic name An Daingean, prompting local fears that its thriving tourist industry will be harmed.

Many of the hundreds of thousands of tourists to the west of Ireland each year visit Co Kerry and, in particular, the Dingle peninsula, which is regarded as one of the Irish Republic's areas of outstanding natural beauty. Apart from its celebrated scenery, it is known as the home of Fungie the Dingle Dolphin, who is particularly friendly towards visitors. Some also remember it as the setting for Ryan's Daughter, starring Sir John Mills and Robert Mitchum.

But the town's charming, catchy name has fallen victim to a new measure allowing only the Irish language version of place names on road signs in areas such as Dingle.

It is in a Gaeltacht area, a district where the Irish language is commonly spoken and officially encouraged.

Although most residents speak or support the Irish language, they fear that a valuable marketing point will be lost.

Michael O'Shea, a local councillor, says: "The name of Dingle is known all over the world and is worth a lot to the local economy.

"Changing it is a major mistake. It's causing confusion throughout the area. The townspeople and especially the business people are up in arms about this. They're against it big time."

Declan Malone, the editor of The Kerryman newspaper, said: "Dingle as a name and brand name is extremely well known. People are loathe to lose it. There would be a fondness for the language but that doesn't necessarily override the economic realities.

"People driving in this direction and not seeing Dingle on the signposts are going to be wondering, where the hell is it. People are wondering whether they are going to lose revenue. The dolphin is a very big attraction, but 'The An Daingean Dolphin' doesn't have the same ring to it."

Jim Wilson, an American living in Dingle, said: "Every businessman I talk to is upset about it. They're not for this at all."

The council has asked whether the name Dingle could be used on signposts outside the Gaeltacht area.

But the government minister responsible, who is being accused of an excess of linguistic zeal, is unlikely to back down. He is Eamon O'Cuiv, whose famous grandfather, Eamon de Valera, was one of the founding fathers of the Irish state and a strong advocate of the Irish language.




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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:37 am
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21/05/05
Renaming Dingle - An Daingean will confuse visitors
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:53 am
Thanks for posting this, Walter. Now i must go over to P45 and see what young Irishmen and -women are saying about this . . . if anything.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:01 am
Hey, Boss, i started a thread on this topic at a board in Ireland usually frequented by young Irish of the new "techno" generation, from all parts of the world . . .

Dangling Dingle

. . . at this point, only one member has viewed it, but we might get some response later. I'll try to check it from time to time.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:20 am
Success ! ! !


minister insists on irish version of dingle.
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Darren1
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 08:23 pm
I have no problem with the people deciding in a plebiscite what the name should be.

Intersingly, though, the peoples of An Spidéal and An Fál Carrach, the only two other towns to come under the legislation, don't seem to be complainig.

This last article is joke.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 04:48 am
Will they now change "the Ring of Kerry"?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 08:46 am
Seems easy enough to me to use both names on a sign or have a second sign. I suppose the purists wouldn't want those remedies.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 09:26 am
http://members.aol.com/waterlilys/CorcaD.gif

My grandmother was born in Dingle. All the Irish side of my family is from Inch, most of their descendents still live on farms near Lispole and Annascaul, but they have always referred to themselves as being from Dingle (a fact that frustrated my genealogy efforts for a long time.)

All the maps I have show the Irish name as well as Dingle and most of the road signs have been double-posted for years.

I'm emailing the relations and I'll let you know what they report from the ground.


Joe(Moynihan-O'Sullivan-Ashe)
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Darren1
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 08:18 pm
I remember 'Questions and Answers' were in Cill Airne/Killarney a couple of months ago.

John Bowman asked the audience were they in favour or against the change-back. Most were against it.

One person in the audiece said that it will have an adverse effect on the current "goodwill there is for the Irish language."

Good comment for an Irish speaker. If he isn't an Irish speaker though- who cares?

We have enough non-Irish speakers speaking through their ass'es about promoting Irish- PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE- never mind the people who think that getting their masochistic kicks out of hearing other people speak Irish is enough to promote the language.

We also have a, thankfully small insignicant minority, like Ivana Bacik, who are overwhelmed with the difficulties foreigners have with seeing bus signs in Dublin say "An Lár- City Centre."

Oh my God... help us Ivana. Lets think about setting up a pressure group.

We need you Ivana... we really do. You deserve a bualadh bos.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 2 Aug, 2005 08:16 pm
Okay, so I heard back from the cousins. Here's the word from Kerry:

Greetings from Dingle (Dangean- in Gaelic)
The people around here say that it doesnt matter. Pure officialdom.
Hope you are both well.
Love
Patricia and Paul

That's it. Go back to bed.
\
Joe
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EamonnKeane
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:37 pm
Dingle was originally a British settlement in the 16th century, so I don't see why it should have an Irish name. It only joined the Gaeltacht to get tax breaks and tourists.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 07:56 pm
Well if you have the one you might as well have the other.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 08:20 pm
An Daingean-berries.




I don't like this at all.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:50 pm
I don't know what I like, being fully irish but not Irish, and not having been there, except that I don't get why the signs can't have both names. I understand the saving of heritage, to some far extent (more on this, re historic preservation in general and new architecture, don't get her started).

I'd like to see what Kara would say about all this. I'll email her about this thread.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:54 pm
Ring of Kerry is quite lovely, Dingle itself considerably less so, Triange of Heinz quite unspeakable. Mainly a bunch of tourists pouring into boats to look at some dolphin that I'm convinced booted years ago. Many signs in many places have many names, but what do you put on your letterhead?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:55 pm
and Heeven, she might have some comment, or not.
I'll pm her.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:55 pm
Dingle, that is, not Triangle of Heinz. Wit the dolphin reference, I'd hate to think what references to tuna nets and the like could be made. Awful, really.

Had fried fish and boiled potatoes in Dingle. What a novelty.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:56 pm
Aack, I forgot Misti. Will pm her too.
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:02 pm
patiodog wrote:
An Daingean-berries.




I don't like this at all.


Yeah, I tried this joke on the Irish board and got crickets chirping.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Of course I'm only 3/4 Irish...
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