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Can religion solve the world's problems?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 10:30 pm
I do not dispute that Americans rarely look beyond their own shores. But the reasons are many and complex. The actions of few other nations have any proximate and immediate effect on the American polity. Those which affect our economy are more tangible and likely to draw our attention, but even those are mild effects as compared to the impact American economic policy can have on other nations. Americans sit in the middle of a large continent, the total population of which is equal to that of Europe. Hispanics are sufficiently familiar to Americans, and Canadians are sufficiently similar to Americans, that people are as prone to pay attention (which is to say, not very) to events in Mexico and Canada as in a state far away. It is only very recently in our history that Americans have been obliged to look beyond our shores to comprehend what events will be significant in their lives. When one considers that communication media are controlled by corporate entities whose goals are profit driven and not information driven, it is easy to understand why the news most people absorb will not be the news that a well-informed global intelligensia considers significant, but rather "programming" which will attract a sufficient audience to justify profitable advertising rates.

Furthermore, i would submit to you that there are billions of people on the earth outside of the United States who pay little heed to events outside an area to which they can walk in a day. A projection of American military might into the world is something which is uncommon when viewed from the perspective of the entirety of our history. Most Americans are not accustomed to thinking in terms of how our actions impinge on others, because our isolationist heritage, safe behind two wide oceanic moats, has so often made the rest of the world irrelevant to American citizens, except to the extent that a particular citizen is very well informed. For most of America's history, our economic health has been based upon agriculture, both internally and in foreign trade. For more than a century, the farming population of the nation has been a small, and by now reaching the level of an insignificant, minority. Even in those days when the farm population was a large proportion of the population, access to foreign markets did not directly concern that population, and the farming sector was so sufficiently productive as to preclude serious import competition. It was simply not historically necessary for Americans to understand the rest of the world.

Finally, it is in the interest of those who would be elite in the United States that Americans continue to little understand the rest of the world, and to trust the individuals of a would-be elite to make decisions about the significance of foreign events for the general population. In the category of would-be elites i would place politicians, decision makers of large corporations and political ideologues who lack power but possess influence.

Someone who lives in Aransass Pass, Texas, who becomes concerned about what is happening more than two hundred miles to the north in Austin, has not looked beyond the borders of his or her state, let alone nation. Someone who lives in Stettin who looks with concern at events more than two hundred miles to the north is poking their nose into Swedish business.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 10:55 pm
I agree entirely, especially the media focus.

I think the other cause is schooling. Our history classes would include 90% world, 10% local. I understand that the US would be close to opposite numbers.

(Of course, our history is shorter and less interresting, but still....)

So to put this to bed, I apologize again for my distinctly un-american taste in humour, I meant no insult by it and was surprised by your defensive reaction. I assumed educated americans were aware of the problem and would find it just as amusing. I think it's the first time (hopefully the last) anyone has called me a bigot! Shocked Arrogant maybe ... Smile but never a bigot.

You live, you learn...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:00 pm
Well, as we've trampled all over Neo's thread, and have nevertheless gained some understanding of one another, i think no harm is done. I also rather suspect that Neo is sufficiently good natured not to resent this. That has been, at least, my experience of him so far.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:06 pm
Yes, sorry Neo.

And as for Farmerman, not usually know for his non-sequitur....
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turtlette
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:24 pm
Can religion solve the world's problems?

"In all our way's acknowledge him {God} and he shall direct your paths."

Proverbs 3:6

Or, a modernized version, "Change the thing's you can, accept the thing's you can't, and ask for the wisdom to know the difference." The last line bring's one back to the first quote.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 01:42 am
I too have been a victim of Transfattysubstantiation. Also, I would never discount the many fine works done by people of faith. What I meant to take issue with here is the abominable works of the clergy.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:45 am
When you refer to the abominable acts of the clery, i am certain you cannot include among their wicked legions our good LionTamer, who only seeks the best for us all in life, and offers good bar-b-qued pork in the bargain . . .
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:00 am
Religion CAUSES most of the worlds problems.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:10 am
Eorl.Non-sequitur indeed. The aforementioned reference that I quoted was a sophisticated product of neological art and I was merely holding it up for praise and recognition from the judges. Wished I woulda thoughtof it.
It was a quite humorous reference to a doctrinal concept that has provided much fuel for the division of Christianity since the Reformation. Transfattysubstantiation, non-sequitur my ass. It, by the clever insertion into the entire fabric of this thread calls our attention to the fact that most religions are busy with defining their own legitimacy than in actually doing anything. This comes from one who has had enough "Transubstantiation" for one life.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:12 am
Ah, but transfattysubstantiation only requires that one injest tasty pork to the point of satiety, without regard for theological validation.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:13 am
and it is the pork of our lard.... oy
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:45 am
Religion IS the worlds problem. And has been since time immemorial. Open your eye to reality. What has religion ever wrought other than division, war, massacre, genocide and hate.
It is do unto others before they do unto you.
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turtlette
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:18 am
au1929 wrote:

"Religion IS the worlds problem."

Do you think it's possible that people who misconstrue religous doctrines are the one's at fault for causing mayhem?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:29 am
turtlette wrote
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Do you think it's possible that people who misconstrue religious doctrines are the one's at fault for causing mayhem?


No. Because religion teaches divisiveness and intolerance.

"My religion is the true religion"
" If you don't follow my path you are going to hell"
and all the other doctrine that leads to hatred, war and etc.

Religion is not benign but rather the the spark that sets the world on fire.
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:31 am
Religion may not solve all problems but it's focus on a nation is tremendous.The Chinese have been focus for centuries and have an ideology of suffer for survival as the first child of the sun ? This slow and powerful focus has come to great it's own wonderfull day of discovery.
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:32 am
Religion may not solve all problems but it's focus on a nation is tremendous.The Chinese have been focused for centuries and have an ideology of suffering for survival , as the first children of the sun ? This slow and powerful focus has come to

Greet it's own wonderfull day of discovery.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:11 am
My goodness, Algis. You seem to have either a multiplicity of identical opinions or a broken 'submit' button. May I submit this:
SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE wrote:
I can clearly see that, in honesty, men must either give up war, or else they must confess that the words of the redeemer are too lofty for them, and that there is no longer any use in pretending that His teaching can be reduced to practice. I have seen a Christian minister blessing a cannon which had just been founded, and another blessing a warship as it glided from the slips. They, the so-called representatives of Christ, blessed these engines of destruction which cruel man has devised to destroy and tear his fellow-worms. What would we say if we read in holy writ of our Lord having blessed the battering-rams and catapults of the legions? Would we think that it was in agreement with his teaching?
from Micah Clarke
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:22 am
Actually I think religion can solve the worlds problems....but I think it's extremely unlikely.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 10:24 am
Is this an example of religious tolerance, understanding and compassion and forgiveness?
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Pregnant student defies graduation ban



Thursday, May 19, 2005 Posted: 9:09 AM EDT (1309 GMT)



MONTGOMERY, Alabama (AP) -- A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.

Alysha Cosby's decision prompted cheers and applause Tuesday from many of her fellow seniors at St. Jude Educational Institute.

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

"I can't believe something like this is happening in 2005," said her mother, Sheila Cosby. "My daughter has been through a lot and I am proud of her. She deserved to walk, and she did."

The school's guidance counselor delivered Cosby's degree to her house earlier Tuesday, but she still wanted to participate.

"I worked hard throughout high school and I wanted to walk with my class," she said.

Cosby was told in March that she could no longer attend school because of safety concerns, and her name was not listed in the graduation program.

The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:41 pm
Let me genuflect at the altar of wisdom, kneel at the statue of tolerance, and subtly point towards the picnic table out back.

<We will now return to our scheduled broadcast.>
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