The Bright Side of Homosexuality!

Osso, as I recall, that African (east Africa?) custom is referred to by anthorpologists as "ghost marriage." Here the widow marries a brother of the deceased and the brother becomes the ceremonial "father" of all the men she produces after the death of her husband. The brother may never have sex with her; her true husband, the sociological father (pater) of her children, is dead. This is to maintain the lineage membership of all her children with men who are not of her dead husband's lineage.
Most often such marriages are to unite lineages, political alliances, as it were. The ideology to justify such "cemetary marriages," where the widow immediately marries a brother or cousin of her deceased husband (e.g., to appease the ghost of the dead husband) is designed to uphold the alliance upon the husband's death.
I forget the details of such customs, but I think this is essentially correct.

Almost all people already know intuitively that homosexuality is 'bad'.

"Is there A Bright Side to Homosexuality?"

Yes, their gay all the time...(happy) <---That was a very poor joke :wink:


Hmm, perhaps someone can educate me. I am a heterosexual female (i think men are gorgeous) but I don't have the urge to be in a parade or start one over the fact of what I prefer in the bedroom, or any other room! Isn't that personal?

I'm not trying to rain on a parade, I just don't understand it. Anyone?

What i want people to see from that article is before you go into arguing people's choice you might want to look at the outcomes on society giving people rights has.

As i learned first hand when talking about the issue in another thread "A choice or a curse" i gave evidence and showed studies but was called a racist bigot and that was the end of the argument.

So i guess after homosexuality is embraced we will have people that love animals and want to marry and have sex with animals.

If i had a friend smoking i would not hate that friend i would hate the fact that he smokes but it is not the person. Same with homosexuality i think it is a bad choice and hurts a person and so i want to help them see why it is damaging i do not hate gay people just the harm they are doing to themselves bothers me.

Here is how homosexuality is damaging

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/2003SurveillanceReport/table17.htm

According to the Centers for Disease Control, 65% of all reported AIDS cases among U.S. males since 1981 have been men engaged in homosexual behavior. (CDC HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, May 1998) this number has gone up since then.
The CDC (1996) also shows Federal money spent per death for Cancer was $3,776.00, for heart disease it was $1,056.00, and for AIDS/HIV it was $39,172.00.

According to the 1986 Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), homosexuals account for an overwhelmingly disproportionate number of the cases of Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, and Gonorrhea.

There are higher rates of non-fatal suicidal behavior among those with homosexual attractions than among the heterosexual population. (From a study in the March 2003 issue of The American Journal of Psychology)

(HPV) infection is nearly universal among HIV-positive homosexual or bisexual men and about 60% in HIV-negative men exhibiting the same sexual behavior. (Infectious Disease News, "Because of HPV, anal cancer screening indicated for certain high-risk groups," October, 1997)

A recent study conducted in the Netherlands (where gay marriage has been legal for several years) found that the average homosexual relationship lasts only 1.5 years.(Maria Xiridou et al, "The Contributions of Steady and Casual Partnerships to the Incidence of HIV Infection Among Homosexual Men in Amsterdam," AIDS, 17 2003: 1029-38)

Out of 6,574 homosexual deaths, the average lifespan if AIDS was the cause of death was 39. The average lifespan if AIDS was not the cause was 42. For lesbians, the average lifespan was 44. (Omega: Journal of Death and Dying, Volume 29, Number 3, 1994. The Longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the AIDS Epidemic.)

1. Homosexuals are five times more likely to be child molesters. About half (50% more or less) of all child molesters are homosexuals. Homosexuals are less than 10 percent of the population.

This is a key point. Homosexuals site study(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1379973/posts?q=1&&page=101) after study (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chil.htm) saying there's no relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia. Others say different. (http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html)Homosexuals can argue that most pedophiles are heterosexual. That doesn't matter. They can also argue that no causal link has been proven. That doesn't matter either. They'll point out that most homosexuals are not pedophilia. Ditto. The key is proportionality. Make a big sign that says: "If 2% of the population is responsible for 20% to 40% of something as socially and personally troubling as child molestation, something must be desperately wrong with that 2%. " .


Your opponent will agree to some percentage of the population that matches some definition of homosexuality. He might cite Kinsey's number that 37 percent reported some homosexual contact in their lives.

Using that definition you can then say that all cases of 'same-sex' pedophilia are committed by homosexuals. However, when the discussion goes to pedophilia homosexuals prefer to narrow the definition and say it's a "serious error... [to] ... assume that all males who molest boys are homosexuals..." that 'same-sex' pedophiles are in reality males "present themselves as heterosexuals". They will then say that there's not even "1.2 million gay people living with a same sex partner in America". (http://www.avert.org/hsexu1.htm) IOW, when it comes to pedophilia, the percentage of homosexuals in the US suddenly drops from 37 percent to 0.4% percent.

2. Homosexuals want some of benefits and compensation that are now given to heterosexuals, to be instead given to homosexuals. This hurts society.

From Cornell University school of law(http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/marriage.html): In the English common law tradition, from which our legal doctrines and concepts have developed, a marriage was a contract based upon a voluntary private agreement by a man and a woman to become husband and wife. Marriage was viewed as the basis of the family unit and vital to the preservation of morals and civilization.

The policy of the state governs the institution of marriage in a large part as a conduit for inheritance. Marriage (not baseball teams, garden clubs, and homosexual unions) is viewed this way because only marriage sustains the race beyond the life time of a single human. If marriage is state policy because it makes it possible for the state to exist in the next century, then conversely anything that diverts resources from this policy diminishes the ability of the state to exist over time.

Humanity is innovative. Over the hundreds of thousands of years of humanity's existance some cultures have been good at sustaining themselves and some were good at being diverse. By definition, all people alive today are descended from social groups that were good at reproducing, and all groups that were not good at reproducing are gone.

3. Almost all people already know intuitively that homosexuality is 'bad'.

Concepts of 'good/bad' or 'right/wrong' are not logical or observable. They are intuitive. Ask anyone how they know if anyone but themselves exist-- or if they're just imagining other people's existence (solipsism). Only intuition can refute solipsism-- logic and observation fail. The same with morality. Why is diversity good and cruelty bad? Why would it be wrong to say, kill all the elephants? The basis for communication is that there is more than 'your truth' and 'my truth', there is 'The Truth' that we can find together.

In his heart of hearts virtually everyone prefers that heterosexuality to homosexuality. Ask anybody in the room if they want it announced that they are a homosexual. We're not taking a poll here, we're demonstrating that homosexuality is like a bad smell-- there are so many people who intuitively don't like that we end up having to laws to limit it. I don't like bad smells, I don't have to give a reason. You make a bad smell where I can know about it I can put you in jail. Homosexuality stinks.

If you could show me where you found that id like to read it. Im sure it could be true but you just telling me its a source that isn't legit and showing no signs of anyone else saying that makes me skeptical.

And as far as threads bashing gays and promting slavery show me one besides my own stand.

It seems everyone here has already embraced homosexuality. So theres not much i can do but in the future when its evident the problems homosexuality causes ill pull up the thread and say i told you so.