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Alternative Pledge of Allegiance idea

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2019 07:22 pm
@livinglava,
When you promote that " . . . under god . . ." bullshit, you are putting government in the religion business. Now you'll go into your play-dumb routine, and puke up another non sequitur.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2019 07:39 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

When you promote that " . . . under god . . ." bullshit, you are putting government in the religion business. Now you'll go into your play-dumb routine, and puke up another non sequitur.


The "under god" bullshit isn't the problem. Taking "god" out of the pledge doesn't help at all.

I don't want to be forced to pledge anything.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 09:23 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Now you are sounding like a socialist.

1) You are saying that people shouldn't be free to pay money for whatever they choose.
2) You are saying that people shouldn't be able to accept money for providing something the payer finds valuable.


I'd pay you $100 to prevent you from performing this naked.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 09:34 am
@Linkat,
Yes!

There is nothing less socialist than a bidding war.... what do you got for me Lava?
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livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2019 06:28 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Now you are sounding like a socialist.

1) You are saying that people shouldn't be free to pay money for whatever they choose.
2) You are saying that people shouldn't be able to accept money for providing something the payer finds valuable.

Socialism can be accomplished by means of ostensibly free transactions. Taxation, for example, can be achieved by selling people insurance against the implicit threat of what will happen to them if they don't pay taxes to organized crime.

It may not happen via official government channels, but it is still socialism.

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The definition of "slavery" is to force someone to do something of value without giving them a choice in the matter or paying them fairly. If you force me to say the pledge of allegiance without paying me, that is slavery.

If you forced anyone to say the pledge, it would be meaningless; but if they have the choice to say it or not, and they decline; then they might be against "liberty and justice for all," in which case you might not want to have them participating in democracy.

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In a free market system, people are free to decide on a exchange of whatever they value for whatever price they put on it. I don't know how valuable liberty and justice is to you... it is apparently worth something less than $200.

Liberty and justice shouldn't be for sale at any price. They are separate from the market. They are inalienable.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2019 06:33 am
@Setanta,
I don't think he's playing, I think it's for real.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2019 03:43 pm
@maxdancona,
If you do decide to cite the pledge of allegiance naked outdoors in a cold location like Minnesota or Green Bay,
I would ask for a bit more than just an extra $100.
In the winter time it can get to below zero temperatures.
Let's not forget about the wind chill factor.

If it's indoors, maybe $100 might be enough.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 06:52 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

If you do decide to cite the pledge of allegiance naked outdoors in a cold location like Minnesota or Green Bay,
I would ask for a bit more than just an extra $100.
In the winter time it can get to below zero temperatures.
Let's not forget about the wind chill factor.

If it's indoors, maybe $100 might be enough.


I don't know how much money it would take to get me to watch such a spectacle with the pledge of allegiance, but if I finally gave in to the offer it would only be under the guise of critical cultural research and psychotherapy for the performer(s).
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