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Reply Mon 31 Dec, 2018 09:53 am
Should I use the simple past or the present perfect in the sentence below?

Over the past year, our company's sales increased/have increased by 85%.

Thank you
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 05:10 pm
@paok1970,
Either is fine. English speakers often uses the present perfect to make past actions have heightened importance or to be more formal, which shows a type of heightened importance.

I've won the lottery!!!
I won the lottery.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 08:59 pm
@paok1970,
Both forms sound correct to me, but psychologically, increased is direct and assertive while have increased implies that it might not always happen. The less information you provide about the past of your company growth if uncertain and fluctuating the better.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 12:08 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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but psychologically, increased is direct and assertive while have increased implies that it might not always happen.


Neither of your ideas expressed above have any merit as regards how English works, Fil.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 12:16 pm
@JTT,
You know I am not a native speaker, not even a super fluent one. My input was intuitive and probably formally wrong. But then again maybe not...
"Have increased" means the process is in flux still.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 12:21 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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"Have increased" means the process is in flux still.


I know you are not a native speaker and I was bad mouthing you, Fil.

That is ONE of the uses of the present perfect in English. As in,

"I have lived in Portugal for X years." which entail the speaker still resides in P.

"I have just eaten." means the meal is over/finished/done.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:10 pm
@JTT,
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and I was bad mouthing you, Fil.


Oooooopppppsssss, missed a "not", Fil.

and I was NOT bad mouthing you, Fil.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:19 pm
@JTT,
Yes and then again it is surely less assertive. I think we can agree on that, can't we?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:25 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Should I use the simple past or the present perfect in the sentence below?

Over the past year, our company's sales increased/have increased by 85%.

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Yes and then again it is surely less assertive. I think we can agree on that, can't we?


To agree with you would be to deny the reality that is English, Fil. Using have + past participle is actually a way for English speakers to be more assertive, more emphatic, more in your face, more of these same types of situations.

I have had enough of you! Get out. [just an example]

She has won the lottery!

I've got/gotten a miserable cold.

JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:27 pm
@JTT,
Over the past year, our company's sales have increased by 85%.
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This have/has + PP is often used to identify hot topics/highlight important past time events [The president has been assassinated!]
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:33 pm
@JTT,
Thank you for clarifying. In Portuguese, it works the other way around.
At first inspection it seemed to work with English too, in many cases it doesn't I know, but in this case, it made somewhat sense to me.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:38 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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In Portuguese, it works the other way around.

Interesting. Might I ask, did you learn English in your school system, from a language school, ... ?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:48 pm
@JTT,
Yes, I did but not from a language school, it was in the public one as a third language after French as a second...I forgot a great deal of French over the years but my French accent is still great...
...now seriously my English improved dramatically when I lived in London for around 1 and a half years. Still is far, very far from being good. I'd like to think I have improved a little bit over the years and this forum along with other online places have helped me on the way.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 01:56 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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I forgot a great deal of French over the years but my French accent is still great...
...now seriously my English improved dramatically when I lived in London for around 1 and a half years.


I HAVE forgotTEN a great deal of French over the years but my French accent is still great...
...now seriously my English HAS improved dramatically [when I lived in London for around 1 and a half years. ]

I have edited some of your comments ONLY to highlight how a native English speaker may also present what you have written/you wrote.

Notice the brackets around your time adjunct "when I lived in ... ". Using the PP + past participle is almost never used, closely connected, with a time adjunct. This is because the purpose of the PP + past participle is to highlight a HOT TOPIC and recognizing that it is for that purpose only ELNs don't connect it to past time adjuncts like yesterday, last week, when I lived in ... .
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 02:07 pm
@JTT,
...yes forgotten of course. Once I hear it read it I recognize the mistake...and yet, I repeat the same mistakes all over again the very next day.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 02:28 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I wasn't pointing out any mistake of yours, Fil, I was trying to show you how a native English speaker might use the PP+PP where you have used the simple past.

This particular use of the present perfect is the hardest one for non native speakers to grasp and put into use. It mostly used in speech tho' it does see use in headlines to describe HOT TOPICS.
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