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Sexual Tensions

 
 
Satyr
 
Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 07:30 am
Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped,
More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex.
Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity; if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please.
This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows.
Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. - Arthur Schopenhauer


And the battle of the sexes is sustained with another shot across the bow by the great curmudgeon himself.

Now, any man that knows what's good for him will be wise to stay out of this fight and remain, safe and sound, on the sidelines of silence where no cutting female tongue can touch him or bruise his male ego.
But, being not too wise and in possession of a reckless demeanor that wishes to stir the vile waters of sexual relations which will, undoubtedly, result in much hypothesizing about my psychological makeup as it is laid bear by all those finding offense in my opinions, I fearfully throw my tiny pebble into the murky depths… and I duck….

Please feel free to latch onto the ?'small pebble' metaphor if you wish.
>That women hold the scepter of sexual power, is not to be denied; it takes religious dogmatism and paternalistic force, to tear those powers from her hands.

But even in paternalistic restricting cultures her power is exuded through subtlety and sexual manipulation. The core of any family unit is always the woman or else the family has no substance at all.

In our times, the emancipation of women and the reacquisition of their sexual authority have resulted in the disintegration of that most paternalistic institution of the nuclear or extended families and have caused the breakdown of the monogamous mythology.

This has produced, as it has been these institutions that have maintained the opposite effect, a majority of non-participating and desperate males and females with no positive male role models.

Females will either react against this trend, wanting to return to the safety of their past submissiveness or will become more male and independent in their behaviors, making males obsolete or guided into more traditionally feminine demeanors.
This gradual male obsolescence will be achieved through the castration of male physical advantages by civil society and through the degradation of male protective and provider roles by technological and law and order mechanisms,

The replacement of maleness by the state and by institutions such as religion has already resulted in a more feminine male character.
All law abiding and religious males are instinctively submitting to the male dominance of an abstract other, creating a culture of submissive, disciplined followers.

In a way we can say that female psychology, found within both genders, pulls mankind towards nature, where male psychology, again found within both genders, pushes mankind towards the surpassing of nature.

>Women reign supreme over matters of instinct but lag behind over matters of reason.

This becomes more obvious in how they infect any discussion with the bug of psychological evaluation and concern themselves with subjects of emotion.

A mind, involved in a ?'feminine' discussion, must not only construct and argue its abstract points on a given subject but must defend itself against the ensuing insinuations and accusations of motive that will force it to explain itself emotionally and argue on the merits of self rather than the merits of thought.

A woman will always turn the discussion towards the source of her deepest intuitive comprehension and influence, that of emotions and psychology; sex being but an aspect of both, in human beings.

By delving into the depths of the human primitive mind, she will seek the advantage offered to her there and distract the more objective faculties of reason where she remains ineffective.

>Many men go to great lengths to prove their genetic worth to and to garner sexual favors from, women.

No surprise then that most women have such a low opinion of most men, for in their need to become desirable, men often sacrifice pride, honor, dignity and sometimes risk life and limb in the process.
This sort of exuberant desire and risk-taking may appear to be charming and attractive to the instinct, but to reason it appears foolish and garish.

A woman holds a much lower opinion of her self, than any man can, because she knows the subject intimately, and so any form of desire, directed towards her, is taken as either hypocritical or overstated, making the males indulging in this type of behavior silly frauds or weaklings for having ever placed her on fictitious pedestals, she herself, feels undeserving of.

Her conclusion can only be that any male worshiping her, in such ways, is either a hypocrite or an inferior.

In time, if the attentions and behaviors persist, a woman may begin to believe her own worth, as it is displayed in the desire of men, and she will demand a higher fee for her affections.

This self-worth and power will be based on her sexual desirability and she will occupy herself towards acquiring as much of it as possible.

> The most desirable and strong females will, undoubtedly, be surrounded by a multitude of doting, hangers-on, all vying for her affections and awaiting her acquiescence.

The main strategic characteristic of males that cannot take power on merit or that cannot become genetically desirable to females by either physical or mental aptitude, is found in their utilization of alternate methods of being chosen as sexual partners, through groveling or making themselves indispensable parts of her well-being or by remaining disciplined and loyal followers of her whims.

They, these males, submit to female control so as to gain access to sexual encounters and to be flattered, as all weakness is, through association.

This role reversal, it would be good to mention, can only become possible in modern human social constructs where the role of alpha-male is occupied, psychologically, by institutions and all males are relegated to subordinate positions.

> Even the most disciplined and powerful man will usually allow a woman to gain a temporary upper-hand, if this will eventually lead to a sexual encounter.

Men see it as a small price to pay, in the short-run, for the promise of hedonistic ecstasy and procreative possibility, in the long-run.

By doing so, a woman's sense of self-importance and her perception of dominance, in relation to men and only men, are maintained and enhanced.

But they are all based on a false and narrow interpretation of events.

Even the most strong-willed and independent woman will find value through the type of man she can attract, as many men similarly judge their self-worth and maleness by the aesthetic quality and the quantity of their sexual options.

> Where man's displays of prowess and exhibitions of power are as clear and straightforward as a silverback thrashing branches in the woods, making him childlike and vulgar in his naked honesty and unsophisticated tactics; women's displays remain clouded in symbolism and muted aggression and her hand reaching for authority is lost in the jostling of the throng and the clambering of the overexcited males, she places herself behind.

Her physical fragility and procreative importance makes it essential that all physical straightforward confrontations are to be avoided and her control and dominance within a group should be enforced and expressed through more subversive means and through alliances.

It is therefore natural for most women to be attracted by grand ideologies and spiritual dogmas.

Passive-aggressive and psychologically manipulative methods become popular where more direct methods are prohibited or carry a high price.
This is why in modern environments males also are inclined to become more feminine in their exhibitions and actions, making men players in games they are not naturally adept in.

Current civilization standards benefit female psychologies, since they are geared to defend the weakest and most vulnerable.

A clean slate is more easily written on than a full one.

> Female offensive and defensive strategies spring forth from the source of her greatest power over men: sex.

Her every criticism and accusation, as well as her flattery and praise wears the subtle charge of sexual innuendo.
For if man judges his manhood through the symbols of his sexual performance, his procreative achievements and/or his genital endowments, then here also lies the soft spot of his manliness and his pride.

If she is scorned, her vengeance will aim at cutting away a man's sexual value to other females thusly punishing him for his indiscretions by denying him access to the realm of her only control: sex and procreation.

If she is worshiped, her affections will aim at heightening a man's sexual opinions of himself.

In every interaction between mammals, sexual matters become paramount.
In fact both confrontation and consensus become rooted in sexuality.

> In her evaluations of men, women make the correct assumption that most men are scum and of inferior stock.

Thousands of years of civilization have made sure of that.

So it is a natural consequence of her primordial drive, to seek out the most worthy vessel for her power aspirations and to test it by repeated assaults and reconnoitering pokes, beginning from the starting supposition of male mental and physical inferiority.

A man must consistently prove himself to her before, and after, she submits to him and then only long enough to acquire the benefits required.
Through this regular verification of quality males also prove their commitment and loyalty to females who need to know that their ultimate sacrifice, of self, will be reciprocated.

A woman wishes to ascend through her relationships not her worth.

She also wishes to expose her true nature and her vulnerability to only the most worthy of such a forfeiting of personal pride.

>The only power women have over men and the only advantage they possess, because of it, is that of reproductive promise.

Women instinctively know that sex is the only answer to mortality and that the only way towards genetic survival passes through her legs.

Access, therefore, to this genetic road towards oblique immortality, must be earned, the right words must be spoken, and the right price must be paid.

There is always a fee for her affections, making casual anonymous sex an aberration of our time, where only females that feel no self-love and possess little self-respect can indulge in it.

>Most women are naturally adept at emotional and physical apocryptography.

They effortlessly decipher motivations and attitudes in search of advantage.
Their social effectiveness and value depends on it.

Women are also superior to most men in verbal communication.
The multiplicity of nonverbal and verbal communications and sensual details are rarely lost to women.
Their ability to participate and make themselves relevant and influential within a group is determined by their ability to read unintentional messages and to express messages with an appropriate degree of deniability so as to escape possible error and accountability, when needed.

Most males exist in a foggy oblivion concerning this female expanded awareness.
It makes women mystical and incomprehensible to them.

>In our modern times where violence is denied expression, unless it is promoted by the state, male effectiveness is diminished and females gain the upper hand.

It is evident that in the world of ambiguity and theory where skepticism reigns supreme, no absolute conclusions can be reached and no final dominator accepted.

Ideas can be twisted, meanings warped and purpose lost in a cloud of rhetoric.

This is distinctly different to the primitive natural world where no question of validity is pondered over and truth is measured through power and effectiveness.

The convincing force is on how a strategy becomes successful and truth is calculated through its consequences.

So it becomes clear that where unempirical means are used to find dominance females will use their communication skills and their willingness to submit and adapt to become effective through insinuation and manipulation whereas in the empirical world they would find it difficult to impose their will, through semantics and clever psychological games, when physically they remain dependant on men.

In a world where the dominant position of male is occupied by an institution, females use the protection and the rights offered as shields against reality.

All weakness is characterized by how it uses another's power to become relevant.

Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another. - [size=7]H. L. Mencken[/size]
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bobsmythhawk
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 08:06 am
Good morning Satyr and welcome to a2k. What a remarkable post to embark on a discussion. As soon as I started reading an observation flashed immediately into my head. The famous observation is the weaker sex is the stronger sex because of the weakness of the stronger sex for the weaker sex. The expression has been around long enough to be regarded as history. I agree to the majority of statements so you'll have no confrontation with me. The post is not framed as a blatant question so I'll not endeavor to supply an answer. Be assured however I found it refreshing reading.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 08:14 am
Wow!
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 09:24 am
So a woman derives her power over an individual male from his desire to achieve orgasm sooner rather than later. OK, but what happens to this power after the dirty deed is done? When the male has more than one partner, female or otherwise? These are surely dilutions of this power.

Given these raw and base conditions needed to sustain female power over males what transpires during a resultant pregnancy and especially after the successful birth of the infant? Doesn't this situation argue more towards less power afforded the woman and, given the male sticks around, more towards the male?

But wait, the whole purpose of sex is the continuation of the species, if not successful, sex would be replaced by another method of reproduction, perhaps budding. Those species unable to replace unsuccessful sexual reproduction would be no more. But, there is more. Given the ultimate goal of child rearing, the dialectical tug of war between male desire and the female's ultimate desire to nurture produces the synthesis of the family. I don't see real life every day situations as male/female power mongering. The result of this gender intifada or struggle is the balance of desire resulting in that which is seen culturally institutionalized in our courts of law?-the proper care of children. The deal made between the two sexes is informed by the goal of successfully raising offspring that are capable of repeating the process. The process also educates would be parents (the children being raised) as to the successful "Art of the Deal".

JM
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 11:13 am
Demond Morris was right. Women let men bonk them to have kids and then promise sex to the bonker if he sticks around to bring the kid up.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 12:07 pm
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"Demond Morris was right. Women let men bonk them to have kids and then promise sex to the bonker if he sticks around to bring the kid up."
-- goodfielder



This is an extremely tight, real world and concise summation of the male/female condition. Many, including myself, might want to further elaborate using more positive and hopeful language but goodfielder's is more general and therefore probably more comprehensive over a wider range of empirical male/female relationships, that is it cuts thru the crap.

JM
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 12:15 pm
Deja Vu moment thing goin' on here. Unless I'm mistaken, the commentary at the top of topic this originated back in early Ocober of last year, HERE, and more or less was revised essentially to the form presented on this A2K topicHERE.


Gotta ask - is the author of this topic the author of the original, or is this A2K iteration a cut-and-paste job?
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 12:46 pm
Uh Oh!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 01:21 pm
No biggie - I was just curious. One my major faults. Thanks for the clarification. Welcome to A2K, and I hope you enjoy yourself here.

Just a heads-up though - you may find that while generally civil, in the critical sense - forensics, logical development, academic integregrity stuff and all like that, this can be a pretty tough crowd to please, and a real tough crowd to buffalo. You may be amazed by the resources, depth-of-knowledge, and breadth-of-interest of some of the members here.
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Satyr
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 01:56 pm
Good then I'll be tested.

But I think you might have gotten a wrong impression by my performances in the other Forum.
I tend to adjust myself to the environment.

And you are?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 02:48 pm
I are? I are timber. Nobdy special in particular; just an old hand hereabouts, more or less. If ya wanna, you can click on the member name of anyone's posts to see that member's postin' history, and some folks have filled out Profiles (available through the "Profile" buttom atthe footer of everyone's posts) Some are illuminative or otherwise descriptive of the member, others not so. And if it would be of any aid or interest to ya, the color-formatted words down in my signature box are links to the A2K FAQ, the A2K HelpForum, and the A2K Terms of Service, respectively. Some potentially valuable reference material of local application may be found thereby. Enjoy.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 03:03 pm
Interesting to see where timber spends his time when he's not here.
<nods>
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 03:08 pm
Re: Sexual Tensions
Satyr wrote:

A woman holds a much lower opinion of her self, than any man can, because she knows the subject intimately, and so any form of desire, directed towards her, is taken as either hypocritical or overstated, making the males indulging in this type of behavior silly frauds or weaklings for having ever placed her on fictitious pedestals, she herself, feels undeserving of.

Her conclusion can only be that any male worshiping her, in such ways, is either a hypocrite or an inferior.

In time, if the attentions and behaviors persist, a woman may begin to believe her own worth, as it is displayed in the desire of men, and she will demand a higher fee for her affections.

<snip>


Her physical fragility and procreative importance makes it essential that all physical straightforward confrontations are to be avoided and her control and dominance within a group should be enforced and expressed through more subversive means and through alliances.

It is therefore natural for most women to be attracted by grand ideologies and spiritual dogmas.

Passive-aggressive and psychologically manipulative methods become popular where more direct methods are prohibited or carry a high price.
This is why in modern environments males also are inclined to become more feminine in their exhibitions and actions, making men players in games they are not naturally adept in.

<snip>


There is always a fee for her affections, making casual anonymous sex an aberration of our time, where only females that feel no self-love and possess little self-respect can indulge in it.



Fascinating view of the world.
I'd suspect it makes life a bit difficult at times.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 03:14 pm
I'm all over the web, ehBeth - includin' some pretty out-of-the-way places.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 03:26 pm
Many of us are, Timber.

Some of us leave footprints, some of us don't. Some of us do, sometimes.
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watchmakers guidedog
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 12:16 am
I'm curious regarding precisely what point Satyr was attempting to make. The post established that women possess a variety of ways to exert power over men. An interesting point and one which I happen to agree with, however the question is begged, where to from here?

Women have powers that they can use to influence men, likewise men have powers that they can use to influence women.

For sake of reference I'll mention a few of the tools with which men can influence women.

Desire to procreate. Women, even more so than men, feel a biological urge to procreate. Since this requires sex with a man it can result in women desperately seeking out procreative partners.

Sexual attraction. I pity the poor fool who believes that women aren't sexually attracted to men. Women successfully pretend sometimes that they are not, but women will make as much fools of themselves over a pair of toned pectorals as men will over well developed mammary glands. They are just better at keeping that a secret.

Romantic attraction. Women don't want to be alone any more than men do. The idea of someone being around and caring about them is appealing.

Faster thought. The same studies which demonstrate improved female multi-tasking abilitiy show that men can perform a single mental task much faster than a woman could. However should that become two mental tasks simultaneously the woman would be capable of doing it much faster. I regard these studies with a fair ammount of skepticism but still, they usually show some form of balance in their results.

So we each have tools we can use against the opposite gender. So what?
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 03:53 am
Satyr:-

That's an odd avatar for a Catholic theologian.And an odd user name too.

I read Schoppy years ago and it made me laugh.It still does now you've reminded me.Shouldn't the first sentence be a little longer?

Anyway-at long last-some real philosophy.Something for us to get out teeth into goodstyle.

One presumes you would like to see women cleared off the forum and out of politics and I would be the last to argue with that.One of Schoppy's most telling points is the one about how the broad mass of women are abused by a small minority of women who usually owe their exalted positions to nepotism or outrageousness in a media
desperate for sensation.(Sometimes in notorious cases like Sabina Poppea or Madame de Pompadour to the pathetic weakness of men and what those two did for the mass of women hardly bears thinking about.)

I don't know whether you can receive British television but on Thursdays at 9pm we have a brilliant comedy series called Footballers Wive$ (sic).I think it is right up your cul-de-sac.I couldn't imagine,from what I have read on here,that it would ever be shown on US television where women seem to be taking over.
I think the focus of your frontal assault might bear more fruit if you shifted to an attack on media generally which is the powerbase of what I presume you deem the opposition.Whilst I am presuming I dare say you might be celibate as that is the only state where consideration of these matters can even approach objectivity.Anyone in thrall to the cunning charms of the female sex has no chance of ever making the slightest sense on these crucial matters.It is a scientific question in the main and it relates to our capacity to continue our Faustian culture into a long term future which,as things stand,looks increasingly unlikely.
Could you envisage the possibility that at some point it might become necessary to engage in an organised repression of uppity females as has happened before in the interests of cultural survival.
I will consider your super post in my study and get back to you.Meanwhile just ignore some of the stuff you are going to get.Most of it is coming from henpecked husbands and general,all round buyers of what is,in truth,a cheap commodity.Any females who come on are pushing their own boat out and haven't the slightest interest in the plight of ordinary women,which is dire in the extreme,and who are the salt of the earth.

Best wishes.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 05:20 am
Satyr:-

Have you considered the ministrations of Diana,Fergie and Andrew Parker-Bowles's wife on our poor dear Queen and the institution She represents.
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Satyr
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 06:50 am
spendius
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That's an odd avatar for a Catholic theologian.And an odd user name too.
I'm neither a Catholic nor a Theologian, but thanks for the double insult. Laughing

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I read Schoppy years ago and it made me laugh.It still does now you've reminded me.Shouldn't the first sentence be a little longer?
I've never even heard of Schoppy.

Longer first sentence? Why?

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Anyone in thrall to the cunning charms of the female sex has no chance of ever making the slightest sense on these crucial matters.
You mean to say that a hormone inebriated mind is not able to even consider these possibilities. :wink:

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Could you envisage the possibility that at some point it might become necessary to engage in an organised repression of uppity females as has happened before in the interests of cultural survival.
Organized repression occurs in circumstances of cultural and economic poverty.
In times of abundance more liberties are tolerated.

Current trends of increasing world populations and the absence of accessible frontiers is resulting in a more ?'feminine' type.
I explored the idea in an essay called ?'Feminization of Man' which is too large to post here but can be found on my personal web-space, if you are interested.

But I would be the last to suggest a return to the past.
It's just fascinating to consider the consequences of emancipation and liberty.

The means by which social stability were artificially sustained are being stripped away in this post-modern world - all, of course, within the confines of a simulated reality, in the Baudrillardean sense.

As a result we are returning to more primitive modes of sexual behaviour. As I see it.
Women have retaken their natural sexual power which means that a growing number of males will find themselves excluded from group participation with unforeseeable repercussions.
This coupled with the obsolescence of male physical strength and other factors is creating a different kind of human being.

Of course the trend is still relatively young and other forms of behavioural restraints still dominate human psychology.
But these too are slowly being degraded.

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I will consider your super post in my study and get back to you.Meanwhile just ignore some of the stuff you are going to get.Most of it is coming from henpecked husbands and general,all round buyers of what is,in truth,a cheap commodity.Any females who come on are pushing their own boat out and haven't the slightest interest in the plight of ordinary women,which is dire in the extreme,and who are the salt of the earth.
I'm expecting no more or less than what I got in another Forum when I posted the same.

watchmakers guidedog
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So we each have tools we can use against the opposite gender. So what?
When opinions are exchanged the ?'So what?' is answered by each side on its own.

The Earth is round…So what?

ehBeth
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Fascinating view of the world.
I'd suspect it makes life a bit difficult at times.
The difficulty or ease of a perspective is related to how one reacts to it or uses it.
Information can either lead to despair or empowerment.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:22 am
Satyr:-

What a pity.My hopes are dashed.You are but an average threader who might just be suffering from abandonment rage.

I didn't say that a "hormone inebriated mind" couldn't consider these matter.I said it couldn't make any sense out of them.You can see plenty of evidence of that in any pub where young men so happily stick their tender necks into the first noose to be dangled.

Schopenhauer,if you insist,had the vixens well taped and I got the impression you had but,sadly,it would seem you are a tender little lamb being led to the altar of sacrifice by a short,stubby halter.You really didn't mean it.Some of the mutton I know will be mowing the lawn and decorating the little nest this weekend in a similar manner that the ridiculous male bird of paradise does when the urge hits him like a ton of bricks.And he being so handsome and all and her a right plain drab.It is as if we never evolved.
What a turn around.
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