Ponderer
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2018 06:51 pm
@chai2,
Jesus loves me.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2018 07:09 pm
@Ponderer,
He might. But I don’t believe he thinks your very nice. Not nice like in some picture of him.

Seriously dude? That’s the only rationalization you can give for being so passive aggressive and downright unhelpful? Jesus loves you?

Thanks for providing evidence that people who use this Jesus love as an excuse for being generally not a good/nice person.

We’re supposed to listen to your angel stories and the fact you think it’s a miracle that ou didn’t cut yourself, and be in awe or at least listen politely. But when it comes to actual communication, you hide behind Jesus skirts and are incapable of explaining your own thoughts. I’m not being sarcastic when I say I doubt that’s how he would want you to be. So you’re essentially going against gods wishes.

Good luck in rationalizing that to yourself in some jacked up way.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2018 07:31 pm
@chai2,
You can believe this. I am fully aware of my relationship to God. He is my creator and I am his creation. You can believe this. He is fully aware of my prayer to him to "give me words or keep me silent". So, if I write, I write. If I don't , I don't.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 02:16 am
@Ponderer,
Can't face criticism so you try to turn it back on itself. Instead of praying for understanding pray for some humility, Jesus didn't attract all his followers by looking down his nose at people and acting all superior.

You might want to research the sin of pride.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:07 am
@izzythepush,
Criticism- "The expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes."

Synonyms- censure, condemnation, denunciation, disapproval, disparagement, opprobrium, fault-finding, attack, broadside, stricture, recrimination, flak, bad press, panning, put-down, knock, slam, brickbat, pot shots.

Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:19 am
I have written before, "My posts speak for themselves."
I invite you, I challenge you, go back, read what I wrote, write in quotes what I wrote that you disapprove of.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:44 am
@Ponderer,
If you need to look up the meaning of fairly common place words you can't really claim other people don't understand what you're saying.

What I said was fair comment, your overbearing superior attitude is a defence mechanism you employ when someone asks you a question that's clearly above your pay grade.

And yes I am being hostile, I usually am when idiots try talking down to me because they're out of their depth.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 04:06 am
@izzythepush,
Must I repeat myself?
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Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 04:10 am
@izzythepush,
I invite you, I challenge you, go back, read what I wrote, write what I wrote that you disapprove of. Show me why you call me an idiot.
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Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 04:19 am
@izzythepush,
When I wrote about falling and putting my arm through a window, your words to me weren't "You were just lucky." (to deny any divine intervention), you used the term "dumb luck". I think we all know what you meant. You have progressed to the word " idiot". Explain why you think I am an idiot.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 04:31 am
@izzythepush,
Also, if you will go back and read your words, I think you referred to God as an idiot, so I do not marvel at your words to me. Until you do as I have asked, you can save your words to me. In fact, I advise and recommend that you do.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 06:40 am
@Ponderer,
I referred to the 'god' in your analogy as an idiot. It's not the same thing at all. Understanding really isn't your thing.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 06:43 am
@Ponderer,
Ponderer wrote:

Explain why you think I am an idiot.


You used a flawed analogy, and when those flaws were pointed out you changed the subject, started quoting scripture and adopted a completely unwarranted superior attitude.

And you still haven't answered Chai's question.


That's the sort of thing idiots do.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:30 am
@izzythepush,
What was the flaw in the analogy?
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Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:32 am
@izzythepush,
What is the unanswered question?
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Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:33 am
@izzythepush,
What was the subject and what did I change it to?
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Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:35 am
@izzythepush,
Give me a quote that you claim to be a superior attitude.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:40 am
@izzythepush,
Incidentally, that story was told by a preacher, and I understood the analogy. The subject was changed to birds getting in a barn through other openings, leaving the door open, birds being to small to open the door, etc.
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:41 am
@chai2,
Here ponderer. Apparantly you ignored my direct question for so long, you "forgot" about it.

Go on and answer, but without all the "jesus is the door stuff" and state what you meant.

chai2 wrote:

So what about my question ponderer?

First you give a story about a guy saying he wishes he could become a bird so they would understand he was trying to help them.

When I point out that you don’t have to be a bird, just have some common sense, you tell me that’s the message.

So why did you tell your first story with the disclaimer that was the wrong way? Yet you have also said it’s the right way.

In the meantime you immediately go off track in what you consider I guess was an answer, but had nothing to do with anything.

I’m not arguing. I just want to know what you were trying to accomplish by telling a story as if it was the correct thing, then saying it isn’t, then not explaining why you told it in the first place.

I’m utterly confused.

So which is it?
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chai2
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2018 09:56 am
@Ponderer,
Ponderer wrote:

Incidentally, that story was told by a preacher, and I understood the analogy. The subject was changed to birds getting in a barn through other openings, leaving the door open, birds being to small to open the door, etc.


Oh wait, so you do remember the question, if you suddenly remembered the analogy.

I don't care if a preacher told or made up that story or not. It doesn't mean anything who made it up.

I understand that the farmer is god, and the door is Jesus and people are the birds. For crying out loud that was glaringly obvious.

But, why would the farmer send Jesus (the one who can think like a bird), when he just could have left the barn door ajar and let the birds go in an out as it suited them? The door isn't Jesus, it's thought, and choice. Do I want to go in or not? My choice.

The warmth of the barn wouldn't get out because the door was just ajar, and the creatures already in there were producing heat.

The birds may or may not have entered the barn, even seeing the door was ajar, because quite frankly, even with the cold and the wind, they might have been comfortable enough as they were. I'd guess they were hanging around outside the barn because there were hay seeds on the ground, and manute with bugs and seeds, and that's what they wanted/needed. Not the inside of a dark barn.

The farmer didn't have to waste his time going in and out of the cold himself, annoying the birds by making them fly away from whatever it was they were doing outside the barn (they weren't waiting to get in) and they could, if the door was open slightly, decide for themselves to go in or not.

They didn't need someone who could "think like them" and tell them in bird talk what they were trying to do.

In fact, they could have found any number of small spaces that fit their little bodies, where in fact they would have been warmer by generating their own heat that filled up a small space, than in some drafty old barn that wasn't built for them.

Your preacher wrote/told a really crappy analogy. Anyone who would give it a moments thought could see that.

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