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@Ponderer,

So what about my question ponderer?

First you give a story about a guy saying he wishes he could become a bird so they would understand he was trying to help them.

When I point out that you don’t have to be a bird, just have some common sense, you tell me that’s the message.

So why did you tell your first story with the disclaimer that was the wrong way? Yet you have also said it’s the right way.

In the meantime you immediately go off track in what you consider I guess was an answer, but had nothing to do with anything.

I’m not arguing. I just want to know what you were trying to accomplish by telling a story as if it was the correct thing, then saying it isn’t, then not explaining why you told it in the first place.

I’m utterly confused.

So which is it?

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@Ponderer,

Ponderer wrote:

It was a picture of Jesus standing at the door of a house, knocking. I just remember thinking that he looked like such a nice man,

Yeah, a really nice man.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/5a/04/925a04fcc1a179e2fd3966e85e9fc3d7.jpg

Quote:

In June 1502 he set out for Marche, where he was able to capture Urbino and Camerino by treason. He planned to conquer Bologna next. However, his condottieri, most notably Vitellozzo Vitelli and the Orsini brothers (Giulio, Paolo and Francesco), feared Cesare's cruelty and set up a plot against him. Guidobaldo da Montefeltro and Giovanni Maria da Varano returned to Urbino and Camerino, and Fossombrone revolted. The fact that his subjects had enjoyed his rule thus far meant that his opponents had to work much harder than they would have liked. He eventually recalled his loyal generals to Imola, where he waited for his opponents' loose alliance to collapse. Cesare called for a reconciliation, but imprisoned his condottieri in Senigallia, then called Sinigaglia, a feat described as a "wonderful deceiving" by Paolo Giovio, and had them executed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Borgia

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@chai2,

Jesus said "I am the door."

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@Ponderer,

That’s not what I asked, and you know it.

Explain why you tell a story, and when I say it doesn’t make sense, you change what you said.

So was the first story supposed to be an example of what it incorrect? If so why didn’t you say that?

You’re pretty free flowing with the words when it suits you. Don’t be obtuse when asked a direct question.

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@Ponderer,

You're not going to win over many hearts and minds if you're just going to quote scripture. It gives the impression that you're bereft of ideas and are having to cut and paste because you can't answer the question. Not only that scripture is only relevant to those who believe it.

On a personal level I'd found that people who quote scripture all the time to be among the most narrow minded, prejudiced, intolerant, judgemental and just downright nasty people I've ever met.

I'm probably not alone in that.

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@chai2,

I was forced to go to church when I was a kid. We used to get religious magazines given out every so often. I remember one had a picture with the caption 'Leper, Holy Land.' That was on the day that the minister had been banging on about how Jesus had cured the lepers, but the magazine was saying 'Fat lot of good Jesus did, we may not have lepers in the UK anymore, but they're running about all over the place where he set up shop.'

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@izzythepush,

It is so annoying to me, when on any subject, here or IRL, someone says something, and when asked what they mean, instead go veering off. Then when you ask again, now you’re going into the territory where you are the one being unreasonable. Next will come the usual suspects saying the one asking is being argumentative and any other number of negative things. Like one doesn’t have the right to understand what was said. When the original person just keeps giving non answers, it’s pretty much showing they were just running their mouth in the first place.

Yeah sure, “Jesus is the door” and all that, when it wasn’t what was asked, but I’m expected to accept that as an answer.

I really don’t want to hear about pictures of Jesus and something about someone’s grandmother or whatever. I’d like an answer to what I asked.

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@chai2,

The answer is it's a pretty crap analogy. They might work with the faithful who unthinkingly accept everything, but the rest of us can poke plenty of holes in it. What sort of barn is so water tight that no birds can get in in the first place? Failing that, why didn't the farmer just leave the bloody door open so the birds can get in? Let's say he does become a bird and spreads the word that the bird is the word, how will he be able to open the doors when he's a bird?

Now I can see the holes in it, so you'd imagine a super intelligent deity would be able to see them, but no. Not only am I being asked to entertain a deity, but he's a rather pedestrian none too bright deity. Is that what Ponderer's saying, that God's an idiot, a well intentioned idiot, but an idiot nonetheless?

No wonder we're all fucked.

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@chai2,

&@Izzy
This started with me writing to someone else. I wrote about my own life. If you don't like what I read, what I wrote, what I believe, I can't do anything about that. If I am not understood, I can't say "Pray for understanding."
I'm not here to force anything on anyone. I wrote what I wrote for anyone who might understand. Think what you will. Believe what you will. Say what you will. Understand what you can.
"Therefore, leave off contention..."

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@Ponderer,

A2K's not that sort of forum. You can't expect to go unchallenged. You are trying to force something on people, your interpretation of events. You want us to accept your miraculous interpretation of a near miss. When an alternative and equally valid interpretation was offered you became hostile and started spouting scripture. You've also redefined understanding as accepting your narrow interpretation(s).

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@izzythepush,

Sorry, man. I couldn't help laughing at "hostile". *laughs again*

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@Ponderer,

Ponderer wrote:

&@Izzy
This started with me writing to someone else. I wrote about my own life. If you don't like what I read, what I wrote, what I believe, I can't do anything about that. If I am not understood, I can't say "Pray for understanding."
I'm not here to force anything on anyone. I wrote what I wrote for anyone who might understand. Think what you will. Believe what you will. Say what you will. Understand what you can.
"Therefore, leave off contention..."

No it didn’t start off with that, and no I’m not just going to accept something if you are saying stuff that make no sense.

You started off with the farmer story, and when I responded the guy was wasting his time going back and forth, scaring off the birds, and thinking his only solution was to become a bird, so he could communicate with them what he was trying to do.

I responded that the guy should have figured out to leave the door ajar so the birds could go in at their choosing. Why would anyone be so stupid to not think that out?

You respond with more drawn out stuff about some picture of a nice man, and angels, blah blah blah.

I tell you that’s not what I was asking and you respond with your deep message of Jesus being the door.

So exactly as I predicted, now I’m being the problem because I just won’t stop asking what I know I want to you.

It was a lame story, you can’t answer a simple question about it, and I’m not supposed to ask.

Yeah yeah Jesus is the door. But the door can’t open on it’s own and the farmer was an idiot.

I don’t expect an answer at this point, because as expected, your feelings are all butt hurt that no one found your farmer story remarkable.

I feel disrespected when people talk around me.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Some might call it 'dumb luck.'

I was once standing on a step ladder doing something to some curtains when the end of the step ladder slipped off this tiny 3 inch stair which was one of 2 separating the living room from the library. As I went down I twisted so I could see where I was falling to make sure I landed on the softer carpeting and not against something hard.

A cat I had, Jezebel (aka Princess Jezzery Doo Doo Head) was standing about 2 inches from where I landed. I looked her in the eyes, and her expression very clearly said, “You realize you could have landed on me and hurt me, don’t you? Be more careful next time.”

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@Ponderer,

Sure you're laughing. You sound a real barrel of laughs. You are being hostile, your last post is typically passive aggressive. Your tone is overbearing and patronising. Your problem isn't that people don't understand you. They understand you very well, what you're saying isn't exactly cryptic. They don't agree with what you're saying.

Now if you can accept that maybe you can have a conversation, but you really need to drop this superior attitude.

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@chai2,

Cats are very expressive, mine look at me like I'm a bloody idiot all the time.

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@chai2,

She was probably thinking "Nice move, but I've seen better."

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@izzythepush,

"you're... you...you...your... your...your...you...you...you're... you're... you...you...you"
Sounds kinda finger-pointy to me.

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@Ponderer,

Ponderer wrote:

She was probably thinking "Nice move, but I've seen better."

Yeah. I'm sure she was.

But back to the subject. You may think I'm being a PITA about this. I'm a pain in the ass when I feel I'm being jerked around.

Personally, I don't know how you can make pleasant small talk and jokes when you won't even explain yourself to someone who has asked you a very direct question.

You are being very passive aggressive.

Honestly? I don't really want to talk to you.

I don't suffer fools gladly. Not so much in the meaning that I think you are stupid. I don't know enough about you to have an opinion one way or the other.

I don't have patience for people that deliberately refuse to have the common courtesy to answer a direct question. If you don't want to answer, or don't know the answer, say so. If you have an answer, give it (and not with the parable thing. We're all adults here.

So, that's all I have to say about that.

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@chai2,

I'm really glad to hear that.

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@Ponderer,

One last thing.

Based on that last reply, I don’t think Jesus would think you’re a very nice man. Do you think he would be pleased at you for not answering a question, and being so self satisfied about it? I don’t.

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