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The Real Origins of the Religious Right.

 
 
Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 04:04 am
Donald Trump's Spiritual Adviser Paula White Suggests People Send Her Their January Salary or Face Consequences From God.

Published January 9, 2018

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Donald Trump’s spiritual adviser has suggested that people send her money in order to transform their lives, or face divine consequences.

Paula White, who heads up the president’s evangelical advisory committee, suggested making a donation to her ministries to honor the religious principle of “first fruit,” which she said is the idea that all firsts belong to God, including the first harvest and, apparently, the first month of your salary.

"Right now I want you to click on that button, and I want you to honor God with his first fruits offering,” she said in a video shared to her website, in which she encourages her followers to donate to her ministries to get blessings from God.

“If God doesn’t divinely step in and intervene, I don’t know what you’re going to face—he does,” she said.

Explaining the principle of the donations, the Pentecostal televangelist, who has recently spoken out in defense of Trump’s mental health following claims in a tell-all book that the president is unwell, suggested that people would reap rewards after donating to her.

“January is the beginning of a new year for us in the Western world. Let us give to God what belongs to him: the first hours of our day, the first month of the year, the first of our increase, the first in every area of our life. It’s devoted.... The principle of first fruits is that when you give God the first, he governs the rest and redeems in,” she said.

"When you honor this principle, it provides the foundation and structure for God’s blessings and promises in your life. It unlocks deep dimensions of spiritual truths that literally transform your life. When you apply this, everything comes in divine alignment for his plan and promises for you. When you don’t honor it, whether through ignorance or direct disobedience, there are consequences."

White was among a number of televangelists who were examined after Republican Senator Charles Grassley launched a 2007 investigation into the finances of ministries that solicit millions of dollars in donations. However, the report, published in 2011, did not draw any firm conclusions of wrongdoing.

In her newest video, the pastor encourages people to send her money, stating, “Each January, I put God first and honor him with the first of our substance by sowing a first fruits offering of one month's pay. That is a big sacrifice, but it is a seed for the harvest I am believing for in the coming year. And God always provides!”

Those who send White money, which she suggests belongs to God, will see positive consequences, she claims.

“When you sow a First Fruits Offering of $75 or more, I will rush to you the book, the devotional and also a Paula White 2018 wall calendar! Track throughout the entire year prioritizing God with me!” her website says.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-spiritual-adviser-paula-white-suggests-people-send-her-salary-775228
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 04:20 am
Trump's Spiritual Advisor: God Says Give Me One Month's Pay!

“Popular televangelist Paula White is urging her followers to donate a "first fruits" offering of up to their entire salary for the month of January to enjoy "blessings" for the rest of the year or suffer the "consequences" of failing to follow God's command.

"Each January, I put God first and honor Him with the first of our substance by sowing a first fruits offering of one month's pay. That is a big sacrifice, but it is a seed for the harvest I am believing for in the coming year. And God always provides!" White explains on her website.

* She explained the difference between the tithe, usually 10 percent of earnings, and the first fruit donation.”

Published on January 9, 2018
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 04:27 pm
Does anyone have an address where I can send my donation?
livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 04:43 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Does anyone have an address where I can send my donation?

Make a savings account entitled, 'the greater good.' Then, you can deposit as much as you want and can afford to donate into that account, but never withdraw any of the funds if you can avoid it.

Eventually the money in this account will either have lost much of its value due to inflation, or it will have maintained and even gained value due to the economy strengthening. Either way, keep avoiding spending it and just see what God does with your wherewithal to maintain austerity.

If you do this, great things will be in store for you.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 06:05 am
Trump claims to be a really big fan of church, but the facts say otherwise. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down.

"President Donald Trump gave Bible literacy legislation a shout-out on Monday with a tweet praising states that are “starting to make a turn back” to an unspecified time when public schools apparently relished in Bible study.

As The Washington Post’s Mark Chancy noted, there was no such time in American history.

And as Trump’s former pastor noted, in any case, the president can’t exactly speak with much authority on the subject.

Pastor David Lewicki responded to Trump’s tweet on Tuesday morning, explaining how he served as a pastor at New York City’s Marble Collegiate Church for about five years in the mid-aughts.

Despite being on the member rolls, Trump never showed. Not to Bible study ― and not even to a service, according to Lewicki."

Published January 31, 2019
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 09:56 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

Trump claims to be a really big fan of church, but the facts say otherwise. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down.

"President Donald Trump gave Bible literacy legislation a shout-out on Monday with a tweet praising states that are “starting to make a turn back” to an unspecified time when public schools apparently relished in Bible study.

As The Washington Post’s Mark Chancy noted, there was no such time in American history.

And as Trump’s former pastor noted, in any case, the president can’t exactly speak with much authority on the subject.

Pastor David Lewicki responded to Trump’s tweet on Tuesday morning, explaining how he served as a pastor at New York City’s Marble Collegiate Church for about five years in the mid-aughts.

Despite being on the member rolls, Trump never showed. Not to Bible study ― and not even to a service, according to Lewicki."

Published January 31, 2019
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYN-W2DD0r8[/youtube]

What other president has explicitly come out in favor of and taken a stand in support of pro-life/anti-abortion? Don't you understand what a big deal that is for religious people who believe in stopping the practice of abortion?
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 10:18 am
@livinglava,
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What other president has explicitly come out in favor of and taken a stand in support of pro-life/anti-abortion?

All the Republican presidents since R.vs W. have been pro-restrictive concerning reproductive freedom.
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Don't you understand what a big deal that is for religious people who believe in stopping the practice of abortion?

Not if they're not being coerced into having the procedure themselves.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 12:06 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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What other president has explicitly come out in favor of and taken a stand in support of pro-life/anti-abortion?

All the Republican presidents since R.vs W. have been pro-restrictive concerning reproductive freedom.
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Don't you understand what a big deal that is for religious people who believe in stopping the practice of abortion?

Not if they're not being coerced into having the procedure themselves.

Pro-life/anti-abortion people want to make progress toward greater restriction of abortion. Trump/Pence actively support that while previous presidents, even GOP presidents, have sort of left the issue alone because it is controversial and territorialized as a women-only issue.

Now people are realizing the "my body my choice" thing was not legit because the reality is that women are not choosing abortion in a vacuum. They are under economic and social pressures and so making abortion more restrictive legally helps protect them from those pressures.

Anywhere the government backs off with restriction creates a power vacuum where other, non-governmental forces will step in to pressure unprotected people into choices. It is the same with drug/human trafficking, where an individual who is free to migrate will not be allowed to freely choose but will be pressured to migrate to where money is available because of bullies who want them to go make that money and send it back to support their families, who are basically being held hostage and/or heavily taxed by those local bullies/authorities.

With abortion, women need to be free to choose to abstain from pregnancy-risk sexual activity. To legally support that choice, abortion should require disclosure of the father's identity and shared culpability by him. That way, both men and women are responsible for avoiding pregnancy and they can't just buy their way out of it by paying for an abortion. If you engage in sexual activity that causes pregnancy, you have to be prepared to have the child and all the responsibility that comes with that.

Sex has become too culturally divorced from conception because of Roe v Wade and fetuses are easy to use as scapegoats because they are small and voiceless enough to suffer euthanasia without any protest except what appears to us big people as just a tiny twitch.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 12:19 pm
@livinglava,
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Now people are realizing the "my body my choice" thing was not legit because the reality is that women are not choosing abortion in a vacuum. They are under economic and social pressures and so making abortion more restrictive legally helps protect them from those pressures.

That's ridiculous. How does restricting people's freedom "protect" them from economic and social pressures? If anything, restriction increases the pressure.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 12:37 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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Now people are realizing the "my body my choice" thing was not legit because the reality is that women are not choosing abortion in a vacuum. They are under economic and social pressures and so making abortion more restrictive legally helps protect them from those pressures.

That's ridiculous. How does restricting people's freedom "protect" them from economic and social pressures? If anything, restriction increases the pressure.

Because sexual desire pressures people into sexual intercourse. Legal restrictions help them resist.

Just think about it in terms of speed limits. If you raised the speed limit on a local road with a 40mph speed limit to 50mph, how hard would it be to drive 40mph on that road?

Likewise, if you are used to snacking during the say at home and you try to diet, it is difficult but if you are used to waiting until lunch at work to eat, it is easier to diet at work.

It is the same with abortion. If you are used to avoiding intercourse because you don't have the option of abortion, it is easier to resist than if you've grown accustomed to the idea that you can get an abortion as a last resort if other birth-control methods fail.

Religious people and others are against abortion, so we should be putting effort into eliminating the practice of abortion. It's that simple. Respect and honor life in all forms.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 01:58 pm
@livinglava,
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Because sexual desire pressures people into sexual intercourse.

Um, if they don't wish to conceive it's not all that difficult to obtain some form of contraception.

Your thinking is medieval — so people are supposed to control their desires for fear of a pregnancy that cannot be legally terminated? And what happens when someone does get impregnated and they lack the means to support a child or they clearly don't wish to have a child? The child becomes the embodification of punishment. How loving.
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Legal restrictions help them resist.

Legal restrictions can force mothers to give birth to unwanted, unhealthy, and unloved babies. Not fair to the mother and definitely a terrible fate for a child.
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If you are used to avoiding intercourse because you don't have the option of abortion, it is easier to resist than if you've grown accustomed to the idea that you can get an abortion as a last resort if other birth-control methods fail.

By definition abortion is not a method of contraception. Very few women are going to casually have unprotected sex because they know they can simply obtain an abortion. And your restrictions fail to address pregnancies that go wrong where abortion can save the life of the mother or save her from having to carry a dead or deformed fetus to term.
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Religious people and others are against abortion, so we should be putting effort into eliminating the practice of abortion.

And other religious people support the practice as well as a majority of voters. As long as people who oppose the practice aren't compelled to undergo it themselves there's no good argument for eliminating a recognized medical procedure.
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Respect and honor life in all forms.

Then work to end war, poverty, and environmental degradation.

livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 02:33 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Um, if they don't wish to conceive it's not all that difficult to obtain some form of contraception.

Lots of pregnancies get aborted, presumably because contraception failed.

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Your thinking is medieval — so people are supposed to control their desires for fear of a pregnancy that cannot be legally terminated? And what happens when someone does get impregnated and they lack the means to support a child or they clearly don't wish to have a child? The child becomes the embodification of punishment. How loving.

Infanticide is medieval. Abortion is just a pre-natal variation.

Intercourse for pleasure is also medieval. There are lots of ways to enjoy each other's company without engaging in sexual intercourse.

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Legal restrictions help them resist.

Legal restrictions can force mothers to give birth to unwanted, unhealthy, and unloved babies. Not fair to the mother and definitely a terrible fate for a child.

Do prohibitions against indoor smoking force people to chew tobacco?

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By definition abortion is not a method of contraception. Very few women are going to casually have unprotected sex because they know they can simply obtain an abortion.

You're oversimplifying it. Being able to snack freely also doesn't cause obesity, but dieting is easier in a place where patterns of snacking have been erased by successful prohibition.

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And your restrictions fail to address pregnancies that go wrong where abortion can save the life of the mother or save her from having to carry a dead or deformed fetus to term.

The pro-life/anti-abortion movement is just trying to make as much progress as possible in making abortion more difficult to obtain.

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Religious people and others are against abortion, so we should be putting effort into eliminating the practice of abortion.

And other religious people support the practice as well as a majority of voters. As long as people who oppose the practice aren't compelled to undergo it themselves there's no good argument for eliminating a recognized medical procedure.

More can be done to stop abortion and the irresponsible intercourse that leads to it.

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Respect and honor life in all forms.

Then work to end war, poverty, and environmental degradation.

Yes, those are also important. If you're for honoring and respecting life in all those other situations, why not also in utero?

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 02:35 pm
Jesus wept, what a f*cking moron. Calling her medieval is an insult to the people of the middle ages.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 03:20 pm
@Setanta,
You always give me a chuckle. Except of course the times your wit was aimed at me.
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auroreII
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2019 04:45 am
@Real Music,
The Young Turks... who are they? We need to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU&fbclid=IwAR2z6ULWo5R97koTvEa62oOyyjrVn6_9I03tS9JB-lQUHFWkN-l7yow5BDA
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 02:25 am
Matthew 25:31-46

The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46
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