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Is the Human Race on a Suicide Mission?

 
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 04:34 pm
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livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 05:45 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Im a tree hugger but I recognize that farm economics isnt to make LESS money per acre. The market for most of Brazil's soy is actually IN BRAZIL, serving the meat production. The amount that makes it to the international markets is based on the fact that Brazil can always be counted on to devalue its currency an since Brazil wisely look at storgae of the crop as a key ingredient to production, they lead the world on "storage sciences" (Most northern countries have huge wastes due to spoilage after roasting)

The bottom line is that people eating the soy directly would be better for environmental sustainability, even if it would make less money per acre.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 09:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
The interesting question is not: "what have THEY done for the rest of us?" where THEY would supposedly mean the politico-scientistific ruling class.Because there's no such ruling class. We all can study science and we all can do politics and we all can vote for intellectually honest and courageous leaders. We are all responsible, at different degrees of course. So the interesting question is: "can we save ourselves?"
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 09:30 pm
@Olivier5,
It's easy to play word games to appear superior.
I mean humanity, generally speaking. The humans knowledgeable and capable of taking action. Who else would I mean?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 10:03 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's also easy to ask ambiguous questions and behave all grumpy when someone asks for clarification.

We are all knowledgeable and capable of taking action. We're all collectively responsible and the only way we could make a dent on climate change is by collective action.

If you wait for others to do something for you, you will always be disappointed.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 10:03 pm
@Olivier5,

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 10:17 pm
@Olivier5,
You obviously just want to turn something simple into a pointless argument. Have at it. I will stand back until your little tirade runs its course.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2018 10:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
The appropriate word for your question is not "simple" but "simplistic".

You obviously want to avoid responsibility. I let you sulk in your little corner, while the rest of us try to do something.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2018 05:59 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
The bottom line is that people eating the soy directly would be better for environmental sustainability, even if it would make less money per acre.
Im a lamb producer, if I couldnt max my profit selling lmb Id have to move to another commodity. If I make even LESS growing beans (besides the incredible investments on equipment and storage contracts), Id be rather stupid to waltz my way into bankruptcy .
How dare you ordering me to make less income . See how that works??
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2018 06:46 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
The bottom line is that people eating the soy directly would be better for environmental sustainability, even if it would make less money per acre.
Im a lamb producer, if I couldnt max my profit selling lmb Id have to move to another commodity. If I make even LESS growing beans (besides the incredible investments on equipment and storage contracts), Id be rather stupid to waltz my way into bankruptcy .
How dare you ordering me to make less income . See how that works??

I can't order you to make less income or I would. All I can do is implore you and everyone else to look at how spending less and making less are investments in a more sustainable economy.

One way to spend less is to eat more beans and less meat. If people would do that, it would also mean the price of lamb and other meats would go down and stimulate less production of those.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2018 07:10 am
@livinglava,
I dont even eat lamb except once a year as a bbq. Youve got to learn waay more about ag economics before you go " imploring" people to make less on their investments.
All my work responds to market needs and noone, as far as Im concerned is giving up anything unless it eases their work , cuts expenses, or makes em more money , or all three. (Like no till farming of short season corn).


edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2018 07:11 am
I only ever eat soy when it is in my food chain by others' choice. Not complaining, just commenting.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2018 04:06 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I dont even eat lamb except once a year as a bbq. Youve got to learn waay more about ag economics before you go " imploring" people to make less on their investments.
All my work responds to market needs and noone, as far as Im concerned is giving up anything unless it eases their work , cuts expenses, or makes em more money , or all three. (Like no till farming of short season corn).

Well, the problem is that even if some farmer(s) would intentionally choose to grow beans instead of meat, that would just drive the price of beans down and meat up, which would lead some people to buy the beans, feed them to animals, and then sell the meat.

Ultimately, change takes people changing what they buy to change the demand structure of the economy. E.g. plenty of people buy dog meat in China but I don't think there's any demand for it in the US, so no one raises dogs for slaughter and there is no industry processing and packaging dog meat.

Still, even if there was a market for dog meat, I wouldn't raise dogs for slaughter or slaughter them or work with the meat. I have worked with beef, chicken, etc. in the past, even though I don't eat meat, because I needed the job; but imagine what most Americans would say if the only job they could get was butchering dogs!
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 05:36 am
@livinglava,
Im sure youve got a point in there .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 05:57 am
There's way too much soybean production now, as it is. Soybeans are one of the most, if not the most, environmentally destructive cash crops in the world. Soybean production has already killed off the Illinois River, and that's just the only one I know of, because I've seen it, personally. It's probably doing it's satanic work all over the country. I was actually relieved when FM pointed out that the Brazilians have switched to palm oil production.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 06:44 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

There's way too much soybean production now, as it is. Soybeans are one of the most, if not the most, environmentally destructive cash crops in the world. Soybean production has already killed off the Illinois River, and that's just the only one I know of, because I've seen it, personally. It's probably doing it's satanic work all over the country. I was actually relieved when FM pointed out that the Brazilians have switched to palm oil production.

Too many soybeans are grown because of livestock. If humans would consume the soy and not feed it to animals, much less could be grown. But if much less were grown, there would still be people who buy it and feed it to livestock, which would drive the price up due to scarcity, and that would cause hunger among the poor.

In short, the unrelenting demand for meat by consumers creates a situation where we either have to starve the poor to protect the environment or sacrifice the environment to ensure the poor have enough to eat.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 07:01 am
@livinglava,
Bullshit . . . the soybeans are grown for the oil that is pressed from them. The residue, the soybean meal, is then sold as feed for livestock--it's a good old capitalist idea, maximizing profits. I've already pointed out that almost 90% of the oil pressed from soybeans goes for human consumption. You're living in some kind of vegan fantasy land. Vegans are the worst propagandists on the planet--even worse than ultra-right wing Republicans.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 04:25 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Bullshit . . . the soybeans are grown for the oil that is pressed from them. The residue, the soybean meal, is then sold as feed for livestock--it's a good old capitalist idea, maximizing profits. I've already pointed out that almost 90% of the oil pressed from soybeans goes for human consumption. You're living in some kind of vegan fantasy land. Vegans are the worst propagandists on the planet--even worse than ultra-right wing Republicans.

The details aren't important. What's important is discovering waste and reducing it to preserve more land for natural ecology. Who is stupid enough to think we're not doing the planetary/human future a disservice by stripping away so much of the natural land cover?

The planet has evolved the way it did for a reason. We have evolved as part of it and now we're clearing it all away to make room for our business competition games. I am against central economic control so everyone needs to realize the importance of conservation and reducing their footprint so we can achieve a good planetary future WITHOUT repressing decentralized liberty in favor of centralized economic control.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 04:46 pm
Ah-hahahahahahahahaha . . .

You crack me up, drink up that capitalist kool-aid . . . enjoy.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2018 09:53 pm
@livinglava,
Quote:
I am against central economic control so everyone needs to realize the importance of conservation and reducing their footprint so we can achieve a good planetary future WITHOUT repressing decentralized liberty in favor of centralized economic control.

Utopian libertarian thinking. It's never going to work.

Our grand children and grand grand children will probably just have to die early, due to lack of ressources and extreme weather events. The human population will crash down. Hopefully two or three thousand years later, the climate will gradually cool down.

You see? That's a far more effective form of self-regulation: when a species pollutes or depletes its environment too much, it just dies out from the consequences. Think Easter Island.
 

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