Re: Brixdale
resource wrote:First off, I'm not your partner so don't call me that.
Secondly, you are of course twisting the points I've tried to make. I did not claim that Regulation E and the NACHA laws specifically addressed mortgages. The point about it relates to the fact that Brixdale uses the ACH system which IS regulated by these laws. If Brixdale errors in any number of different area's regarding the debits they make from their clients accounts, they lose. The consumer/client merely notifies their bank of the error within 15 days for the NACHA law to be used and 60 days for the Regulation E law to be used...either way the client gets their money back and then the clients bank goes after Brixdale. Call YOUR bank if you don't believe me. I DID call my bank before becoming a Brixdale client to MAKE SURE I was protected.
All the law provides is that Brixdale comply with standard accountin' and disclosure regulations. Should the company go belly-up, whatever investment, income schedule, or equity one may have built in the scheme goes away with it. You have no other protection. Brixdale merely asserts it will not outright steal your money for itself, will keep records pertainin' to the money it moves for you, and provide you with that disclosure.
Quote:Third, Brixdale is not in any way claiming to be a creditor or offer any types of loans. They are a payment processing service only. The creditor is your mortgage loan company/bank holding the mortgage. Using their service saves me the monthly chore of making out and mailing out a check to my mortgage company myself.
Argument may be made they act as agent both for the creditor and the borrower - a nebulous, often peril-frought middle-ground. Also possibly of interest, mortgage holders often incorporate into their contracts clauses which specifically prohibit 3rd-party payment processin' services, in recognition - through experience - of the myriad problems possibly attendent thereon.
Quote:Fourth, your attack on mlm's in general is unfair to all the legitimate mlm companies. Granted there are plenty of scam artists out there using the mlm industry to dupe people, but you shouldn't tag all mlm's as scams without doing individual research on each one you are considering. And your point about a pyramid is off the wall to me. Every legitimate company or corporation has a pyramid structure to begin with. The big guys at the top (CEO, CFO, etc.) ALWAYS are the ones making the big bucks while the little office clerks at the bottom are making peanuts. Also, mlm = multi-level-marketing. That means that commissions are earned from multiple levels of referrals deep where each level earns a certain percentage of the commission.
While many MLM schemes are legal, all are Pyramid schemes, regardless the claimed levels or layers of the pyramid. For discussion at great detail, see:
What's Wrong With Multi-Level Marketing?
Quote:Brixdale clients earn commissions on ONE LEVEL ONLY = direct sales. 100% of the commission earned from the client on your first level is paid to you...its not divided up in multiple levels. I have done extensive research on the various types of compensation plans that have been offered by the companies out there and this plan does not constitute an mlm structure. I too have been on numerous calls where Tom Oaks is answering questions as well as spoken with him personally one-on-one and if you ask him he will also explain to you WHY the compensation plan is NOT mlm.
Yeah, right. Tom says his scheme ain't a pyramid, even though it works as a pyramid. Thats good enough for you, huh? Not for me, I'm afraid.
Quote:People might think that it would take a huge unrealistic number for each client to realize the reward points they speak of, but in reality the number for a client to refer in order to maximize the comp plan is only 4. Really study the plan and you'll see I'm right. The 2up system simply gives the first 2 referrals of each client to that clients sponsor...where do those referrals land? On the first and only level of their sponsor. Only clients on each clients first level earn them the reward points = the commissions.
That ain't a pyramid itself? And of course, there's no prohibition against, and there is even incentive for, further recruitment. C'mon.
Quote:And oh...you talked about an upfront fee...there is NO upfront fee that new Brixdale clients are required to pay. You simply get set-up to start paying your mortgage/rental payments through them and using their system at the end of 3 months time period you end up in a pre-payment status = 1 payment ahead. This alone, without referring anyone can save a person up to 10 mortgage payments. They do have a fee, but it is deferred for up to 12 months and to get that paid it only takes referring 2 new clients to them. If you don't refer any new clients in 12 months then the fee is equal to one month's mortgage payment amount...whatever that is for you. You still save up to 9 mortgage payments. In every angle I looked at this I saw NO RISK to the consumer/client which was the main thing I was doing my research on.
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They do have a fee, but it is deferred for up to 12 months and to get that paid it only takes referring 2 new clients to them. If you don't refer any new clients in 12 months then the fee is equal to one month's mortgage payment amount...whatever that is for you ... "
The fee obligation is incurred at contract inception. Where over the contract it may be assessed and collected, and in what manner, is irrelevant. It is a fee upon which membership is conditioned - an up-front fee.
Quote:I'm not here trying to debate with you personally, but I am trying to make available a point of view for others viewing this posting to not mistakenly think that your assessment is correct. Each person should do their own due diligence on any company they are considering and not depend on the opinions of others who have done no research or have only done a partial investigation. Finding things that are worth your time and money are not an easy task, but when I find one I let others know about it. Brixdale IS worth my time and money in my opinion and based on the research I have done personally to date.
Debate whomever and however you wish. Your point, it seems to me, is that you have both an emotional and a financial investment in this scheme, hardly an objective startin' point. While perhaps not positively indicative of ulterior motive on your part in your contestin' of my position, your comments offer no reason to doubt same. The research I've done indicates to me things are as I have appraised them. This research of mine, BTW, has included consultation with a couple different big-buck attorneys who specialize in finance matters. Big buck finance matters. One happens to be a relative, the other a poker buddy. (I'd love to get the relative to play in our regular poker games - she's terrible at it. She won't take the bait though
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Oh, and BTW - I pretty much make my livin' through investin'. The Brixdale scheme sure don't seem a good bet to me ... way too many "Ifs". I'll stick with securities, currencies, commodities, real estate, and conventional real estate instruments. I have a comfortable track record overall relative to the market and the economy. Works for me. Pyramids don't.