Agnostics:come in to hide from the atheists and believers!

Come on, don't fence sit. You have to have an opinion! YOU DO!

What about us fiesty, pugnatious, opinionated, assertive agnostic types?

You're welcome too.

Oops! Sorry, don't get up. Just taking a peek. :-)

C'mon in and rest a spell. Its peaceful here for the moment

Ok, I'm not religious, but I believe.

I'm in here too...I'm always in trouble on the religeous threads. I have decided to avoid them now. Sometimes it's hard to (be a woman) sit on the fence...arse splinters!

Just to touch briefly on the actual topic for a moment, I think the most bothersome of the fringies are the extreme "believers" - they're more organized, and they've got lots more paper to throw around.


Haven't voted yet - still thinkin' on that.

If I had to choose...it would be The Believers (cool name for a group). All that fire and brimstone, all the homophobia, all the 'unchristian' attitudes to others whilst biblethumping. They really get me down.

To call someone a nut for being religious or atheist, and for no other reason, is nuts.

Oh my!!! I can relax at last!!!!
Settleeeeeee.....

I have told you before that you're the best, right?

I'm with edgar ... prolly why I haven't voted the poll yet - and likely won't.

I look at it this way. We're all "agnostic" when it comes to the objective, scientific status of the existence of God(s). You don't have to be a theologian or atheist scholar to know the facts do not allow an "objective" conclusion. If they did, we wouldn't have the debate at all.

But where does that leave us? The theist/atheist debate is one of belief and opinion.

Generally speaking, if we define theism as the belief in a God(s), agnosticism is an entirely atheistic view. One could even argue agnosticism was a wholly atheistic-secular movement toward removing the stigma attached to atheism; "atheism-light."

If one has a belief in God(s), no matter how slight or personal, one is a theist. If one does not, one is an atheist. The agnostic is one who claims to not have a belief or opinion. Sorry, but that is indeed "fence-sitting."

What exactly is fence sitting?

If I'm too lazy to think religion through and side with either group, is that fence-sitting?

I think it is hilarious that an Agnostic would say not to fence sit.

Agnosticism is recognizing that you don't know. Or that's what I was taught in school. But we should all know that by now.......those of us who have had the fun of conversing with Frank, that is.

However, in my not knowing, I have a strong suspicion.....well, more than a suspicion.........well, since I find a lot to trust in science, I don't think there probably is a God. I think there's as much chance there's a God as the possibility that we're all living on a particle of dust in the trail of a universe size giant walking down a dirt road.

I don't care for fanatics of any type. But of course, fanaticism is a subjective measure. It's the evangelicals I don't like.

I find it sorta amusin' that agnosticism is be considered "Fence Sitting" - don't see it that way at all, myself. I think the arrogant absolutism that leads theists and atheists alike to declare it such flatly rejectin' the opposin' stance reveals a core flaw in either belief system. The way I look at it, theists and atheists alike are coppin' out - takin' an easy answer found to be personally satisfyin', as opposed to admittin' the matter is unresolved. Its far nore confortin' to declare a difficult question answered and drop the issue than to continue workin' on the question.

Now, whether or not there is a God or gods, I happen to think the entire concept of RELIGION is bunk. The simple fact they come and go, coupled with the bewilderin' multiplicity of mutually exclusive, frequently bitterly antagonistic options has me convinced there's nothin' to any of 'em. Deity may be an invention of humankind. Religion certainly is.

Thanks for putting in better than I could.


(from an agnostic who'd probably be labeled an atheist by most and so who will politely bow out...)