Have atheists redefined science to get rid of God?

well if your tri gliserides, where above a good level..

Then you might take a pharmacy pill devil.
which once you do, you know your done
cause that new medicine isn't want the body wants done.

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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." Albert Einstein

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Check out the Einstein quote in my signature. The connotation is that Einstein's "god" was totally subjective; therefore, belief is irrelevant.

I don't see anything about God in that quote let alone whether it is subjective or objective. I see a statement that the unknown creates science and art. A statement I agree with. In attempting to look up your quote I found this statement by Einstein.

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The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle It was the experience of mystery--even if mixed with fear--that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms--it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.

http://condor.stcloudstate.edu/~lesikar/einstein/worldsee2.html

and this seems to be a pretty comprehensive source -Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion

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parados wrote:

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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." Albert Einstein

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Check out the Einstein quote in my signature. The connotation is that Einstein's "god" was totally subjective; therefore, belief is irrelevant.

I don't see anything about God in that quote let alone whether it is subjective or objective. I see a statement that the unknown creates science and art. A statement I agree with. In attempting to look up your quote I found this statement by Einstein.

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The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle It was the experience of mystery--even if mixed with fear--that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms--it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.

http://condor.stcloudstate.edu/~lesikar/einstein/worldsee2.html

and this seems to be a pretty comprehensive source -Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion

Einstein says in the second sentence that the "mysterious is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science." That's sujbective. The mystery may not be totally synonomous with god in the strict literal sense, but it's the closest we can experience. Other definitions of a god with an objective reality are based on thought and speculation and not experience. Mysticism is the experience of god, but this experience is and always shall remain beyond the ken of knowledge or definition through prose, and no direct statement can be made about it. Poetry, music can transfer the experience somewhat, and myth attempts to in a roundabout way.

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Sorry, CI. I read your statement isolated from the rest of the text and out of context.

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coluber, No problem; I do it often myself. Lazy reading gets me into trouble more often than not.

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extra medium wrote:

It is sad how the scared religious fanatics attack science.

Curious. I always thought it was sad when I saw the scared scientific fanatics attack religion. It isn't the science that the religious are attacking but the attempt by some to use the name of science to attack religion. (I still believe that science has become a religion to some, but that's another story)
Small minds of either side denigrate the validity of their own arguments and thusly bring harm to their own viewpoint in general.
The true and ideal scientist (of which there are far fewer these days than you think) begins with a supposition, observes and forms the conclusion based on the observations.
The problem these days is that too many scientific queries want to find the results that will keep the grant money flowing for as long as possible and then make someone a big pot of money down the line. Just look at the lack of research into the cure of orphan diseases that maybe two or three people a year might get and you will see what I mean. But I digress.
On the other side, way too many people have not matured in their faith enough to be able to reconcile faith and science in the same breath.
I am very literal in my interpetation of the Bible and I have yet to find anything in it that contradicts anything I see in the natural world.
The Bible is a very interesting book scientifically. The Bible tells us that he earth was suspended in space (Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) In Isaiah 40:22 it speaks of the earth being a circle and the inhabitants as grasshoppers. An interesting description of a planet as a sphere. Elsewhere there is a wonderful description of the cycle of water from rain to evaporation into a gas and reforming ito clouds and falling to the earth as rain again. (I would cite the chapter and verse if I could remember it, I'll look for it)
It is not Christianity or science that threaten each other but small minds of all kinds that threaten us all. As the Xfiles would say, the truth is out there.
We just need minds open enough to see it.

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extra medium wrote:

It is sad how the scared religious fanatics attack science.

Curious. I always thought it was sad when I saw the scared scientific fanatics attack religion. It isn't the science that the religious are attacking but the attempt by some to use the name of science to attack religion. (I still believe that science has become a religion to some, but that's another story)
Small minds of either side denigrate the validity of their own arguments and thusly bring harm to their own viewpoint in general.
The true and ideal scientist (of which there are far fewer these days than you think) begins with a supposition, observes and forms the conclusion based on the observations.
The problem these days is that too many scientific queries want to find the results that will keep the grant money flowing for as long as possible and then make someone a big pot of money down the line. Just look at the lack of research into the cure of orphan diseases that maybe two or three people a year might get and you will see what I mean. But I digress.
On the other side, way too many people have not matured in their faith enough to be able to reconcile faith and science in the same breath.
I am very literal in my interpetation of the Bible and I have yet to find anything in it that contradicts anything I see in the natural world.
The Bible is a very interesting book scientifically. The Bible tells us that he earth was suspended in space (Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) In Isaiah 40:22 it speaks of the earth being a circle and the inhabitants as grasshoppers. An interesting description of a planet as a sphere. Elsewhere there is a wonderful description of the cycle of water from rain to evaporation into a gas and reforming ito clouds and falling to the earth as rain again. (I would cite the chapter and verse if I could remember it, I'll look for it)
It is not Christianity or science that threaten each other but small minds of all kinds that threaten us all. As the Xfiles would say, the truth is out there.
We just need minds open enough to see it.

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extra medium wrote:

It is sad how the scared religious fanatics attack science.

Curious. I always thought it was sad when I saw the scared scientific fanatics attack religion. It isn't the science that the religious are attacking but the attempt by some to use the name of science to attack religion. (I still believe that science has become a religion to some, but that's another story)
Small minds of either side denigrate the validity of their own arguments and thusly bring harm to their own viewpoint in general.
The true and ideal scientist (of which there are far fewer these days than you think) begins with a supposition, observes and forms the conclusion based on the observations.
The problem these days is that too many scientific queries want to find the results that will keep the grant money flowing for as long as possible and then make someone a big pot of money down the line. Just look at the lack of research into the cure of orphan diseases that maybe two or three people a year might get and you will see what I mean. But I digress.
On the other side, way too many people have not matured in their faith enough to be able to reconcile faith and science in the same breath.
I am very literal in my interpetation of the Bible and I have yet to find anything in it that contradicts anything I see in the natural world.
The Bible is a very interesting book scientifically. The Bible tells us that he earth was suspended in space (Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) In Isaiah 40:22 it speaks of the earth being a circle and the inhabitants as grasshoppers. An interesting description of a planet as a sphere. Elsewhere there is a wonderful description of the cycle of water from rain to evaporation into a gas and reforming ito clouds and falling to the earth as rain again. (I would cite the chapter and verse if I could remember it, I'll look for it)
It is not Christianity or science that threaten each other but small minds of all kinds that threaten us all. As the Xfiles would say, the truth is out there.
We just need minds open enough to see it.

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extra medium wrote:

It is sad how the scared religious fanatics attack science.

Curious. I always thought it was sad when I saw the scared scientific fanatics attack religion. It isn't the science that the religious are attacking but the attempt by some to use the name of science to attack religion. (I still believe that science has become a religion to some, but that's another story)
Small minds of either side denigrate the validity of their own arguments and thusly bring harm to their own viewpoint in general.
The true and ideal scientist (of which there are far fewer these days than you think) begins with a supposition, observes and forms the conclusion based on the observations.
The problem these days is that too many scientific queries want to find the results that will keep the grant money flowing for as long as possible and then make someone a big pot of money down the line. Just look at the lack of research into the cure of orphan diseases that maybe two or three people a year might get and you will see what I mean. But I digress.
On the other side, way too many people have not matured in their faith enough to be able to reconcile faith and science in the same breath.
I am very literal in my interpetation of the Bible and I have yet to find anything in it that contradicts anything I see in the natural world.
The Bible is a very interesting book scientifically. The Bible tells us that he earth was suspended in space (Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) In Isaiah 40:22 it speaks of the earth being a circle and the inhabitants as grasshoppers. An interesting description of a planet as a sphere. Elsewhere there is a wonderful description of the cycle of water from rain to evaporation into a gas and reforming ito clouds and falling to the earth as rain again. (I would cite the chapter and verse if I could remember it, I'll look for it)
It is not Christianity or science that threaten each other but small minds of all kinds that threaten us all. As the Xfiles would say, the truth is out there.
We just need minds open enough to see it.

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We heard ya (unfortunately) the first time . . .

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extra medium wrote:

It is sad how the scared religious fanatics attack science.

Curious. I always thought it was sad when I saw the scared scientific fanatics attack religion. It isn't the science that the religious are attacking but the attempt by some to use the name of science to attack religion. (I still believe that science has become a religion to some, but that's another story)
Small minds of either side denigrate the validity of their own arguments and thusly bring harm to their own viewpoint in general.
The true and ideal scientist (of which there are far fewer these days than you think) begins with a supposition, observes and forms the conclusion based on the observations.
The problem these days is that too many scientific queries want to find the results that will keep the grant money flowing for as long as possible and then make someone a big pot of money down the line. Just look at the lack of research into the cure of orphan diseases that maybe two or three people a year might get and you will see what I mean. But I digress.
On the other side, way too many people have not matured in their faith enough to be able to reconcile faith and science in the same breath.
I am very literal in my interpetation of the Bible and I have yet to find anything in it that contradicts anything I see in the natural world.
The Bible is a very interesting book scientifically. The Bible tells us that he earth was suspended in space (Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) In Isaiah 40:22 it speaks of the earth being a circle and the inhabitants as grasshoppers. An interesting description of a planet as a sphere. Elsewhere there is a wonderful description of the cycle of water from rain to evaporation into a gas and reforming ito clouds and falling to the earth as rain again. (I would cite the chapter and verse if I could remember it, I'll look for it)
It is not Christianity or science that threaten each other but small minds of all kinds that threaten us all. As the Xfiles would say, the truth is out there.
We just need minds open enough to see it.

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Earth to Gospelman, Earth to Gospelman . . .

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Setanta wrote:

Earth to Gospelman, Earth to Gospelman . . .

Not much of a reasoned response is it?

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Rather hard to get a reasoned response in when you post the same crap five times in a row . . .

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The five times in the row was a mistake on my part for which I apologize.
The fact that you seem to think it's carp kinda proves my point.

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Not carp....crap. Should use the preview button like timberlandko says.

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Gospelmancan2 X 5 wrote:

The fact that you seem to think it's carp kinda proves my point.

I have never referred to anything you have posted as being any species of fish.

You would have had a point to prove, had you understood why i was attempting to gain your attention. However, it appears that you were too fond of the excellence of your own work to pay attention to what you were doing.

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Again I apologize. I was having computer problems. Do you think it's crap because posted five times by mistake or because you don't agree that people wih small minds are dangerous? Or is it you can't get beyond your viewpoint to see someone else's?
Again calling anyone's response "crap" out of hand proves my point.

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First, you ask me why i referred to your post as crap, by alleging that i had referred to it as carp . . . hence, my lastest response. Can't blame that one on the computer. When you post a response, and click the submit button, even if you have to wait an eternity--oh, say, five minutes--don't hit the submit button again. We all occassionally make such an error, but not on such a scale.

Second, you have asked why i had referred to it as crap, but then claim that doing so proves your point, before i have responded to your question. I know a Senate subcommittee which would like your style--you might get a good job.

Third, yes, i used the term crap because you posted it again, and again, and again, and again. As for the contents, i could not agree less, which you might well have imagined, assuming your are possessed of imagination, if you had read and understood the very clear statement i have already posted on the dissociative results of the religiously fanatical equating science and religion as two belief systems--they are not.

Religion is a belief system, the predicate assumptions for which admit of no demonstration, and require acceptance on faith. Science is a single word used to refer to a specific methodology based upon observation, then speculation leading to hypothesis, said hypothesis requiring replicability of testing, and subject to falsification. Science is not a belief system.

The arguments advanced, such as yours, for the superiority of religious revelation and revealed truth over a scientific belief system are therefore false by definition. This is the most excruciating case of apples to oranges which today plagues our society.

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Hold the presses!!!!Setanta wrote a clear statement and has proclaimed the truth of the entire universe. We might as well all go home and revel in Setanta's grand intellect.
There is no faith found in science? They don't call it the law of evolution because there is no proof to back evolution up as the origin of man. On that theory( of which there is no real proof and only supposition) a large amount of what we call biology is based and woe betide the person who treads on the sacred ground of Darwinism.
When they couldn't find the "missing link" to fit the way the used to think evolution happened, they came up with the idea that the changes just happened spontaneously with no link at all that coul be found. Sure sounds like faith to me.

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Have atheists redefined science to get rid of God?

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